What Does the First Entropy Equation for a Permeable Membrane Indicate?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the first entropy equation related to a permeable membrane, particularly in the context of an ideal gas mixture of two mono-atomic gases. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation and its components, including the roles of different variables and subscripts.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the meaning of the first entropy equation, questioning the significance of variables such as N1 and their relation to the system. There are discussions about deriving equations with respect to different variables and the implications of the ideal gas law and chemical potentials.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the notation and relationships between variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of subscripts and the process of differentiation, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps or the overall understanding of the problem.

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Participants note the complexity introduced by the initial temperature differences between the two compartments, which affects the nature of the problem being discussed.

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Actually i am trying to see what the first equation to the entropy means, maybe N1 remets to the part 1 (the left suppose) of the system? (or the molecules type 1?)

I am not sure about the equations i will do below, probably it will be wrong, anyway.

∂S/∂U1 = 1/T1 = 3NR/2U1
Okay, it will give us U1+U2 = U, this will give us the initial energy.

Now i am not sure what to do now.
Derive with respect to N1? How to separate N1(2) + N2(2)?
 
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The trick to this problem is to first show that the starting equation describes an ideal gas mixture of two mono-atomic gases, in terms of the internal energy, the ideal gas law, and the chemical potentials of the two species.
 
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LCSphysicist said:
Actually i am trying to see what the first equation to the entropy means, maybe N1 remets to the part 1 (the left suppose) of the system? (or the molecules type 1?)

Callen's notation can be confusing here. When "1" and "2" are used as subscripts, they refer to the type of molecule. When "1" and "2" appear in parentheses in superscripts, they refer to the left or right sides of the container. So, ##N_2^{(1)}## is the number of moles of type-2 molecules in the left side of the container.

∂S/∂U1 = 1/T1 = 3NR/2U1
Okay, it will give us U1+U2 = U, this will give us the initial energy.
Yes

Now i am not sure what to do now.
Derive with respect to N1?
Yes, ##\large \frac{\partial S^{(1)}}{\partial N_1^{(1)}}## will give you ##-\large \frac{\mu_1^{(1)}}{T^{(1)}}## for the left side of the container. Similarly for the right side.

How to separate N1(2) + N2(2)?
I'm not sure what you are asking here. Note that ##N_2^{(1)}## and ##N_2^{(2)}## are constants.

When taking the derivative of ##S^{(1)}## with respect to ##N_1^{(1)}##, keep in mind that ##N^{(1)} = N_1^{(1)} + N_2^{(1)}##.
 
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Too bad the two compartments are initially at different temperatures because otherwise this would be a traditional osmosis problem.
 

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