What does the Uncertainty Principle say about the location of photons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the Uncertainty Principle on the location of photons, exploring concepts of position, momentum, and the behavior of light in different media. Participants examine the nature of photons, their speed, and the challenges in defining their position within the framework of quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that knowing the precise speed of a photon implies its location is undeterminable.
  • Others clarify that the Uncertainty Principle relates to position and momentum, not position and velocity, and that photons have a probability distribution for momentum.
  • A few participants discuss the implications of measuring a photon's position, suggesting that a precise measurement leads to uncertainty in its momentum.
  • There are claims that photons do not have a defined position until they are absorbed, while others challenge this notion, suggesting that photons can be considered to exist in a medium like optical fiber before detection.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the idea that light moves at the speed of light, suggesting it is more likely rather than guaranteed.
  • Discussions arise regarding the nature of light traveling through different media and the concept of absorption and re-emission, with some arguing that this process is probabilistic rather than classical.
  • Participants also explore the implications of the lack of a position operator for photons and what that means for understanding their behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of the Uncertainty Principle on the position of photons. There is no consensus on whether photons can be said to have a defined position before detection, and the discussion remains unresolved on several key points.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and the definitions of terms like "photon" and "mass." The discussion includes references to mathematical theorems and concepts that may not be universally accepted or understood.

  • #31
zonde said:
Explanations like that are only speculations.

So I can propose different speculation.
When you go down to length scales of photon wavelength photon is traveling as a wave i.e. it travels many available paths. In material these paths are not straight and when you average over all the paths the photon travels within one wavelength it is shorter then straight path would be. So while you can still say that it travels at c average speed will be less than c.

We know that gravity changes the space making it curved. The same is valid for charged particles in EM field. Unlike gravity where only "pits" are possible, in EM field we will have "pits" and "hills". Also these "pits" and "hills" can be packed very tight depending on material density. More dense material means more pits and hills. So photon traveling through this EM field curved space will need more time to cross it compared to the straight line defined by the local gravity field.

That is my speculation. :devil:
 

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