What does this two momentum transform look like?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of momentum between Cartesian coordinates and generalized coordinates, specifically exploring the mathematical relationship and implications of this transformation. The scope includes theoretical aspects of classical mechanics and vector transformations.

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  • One participant presents a transformation equation for momentum between Cartesian and generalized coordinates, suggesting a specific mathematical relationship.
  • Several participants emphasize that momentum is a vector and refer to vector transformations under coordinate changes, but do not clarify how this directly relates to the original question.
  • There is a request for more specific help regarding the connection between vector transformations and the participant's question about momentum transformation.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about whether the transformation in question is a "contact transformation" and notes that their research on contact geometry seems unrelated.
  • Some participants suggest consulting graduate-level classical mechanics texts, particularly on canonical transformations, for further understanding.
  • A later reply references a specific classical mechanics book by Walter Greiner, indicating that the topic of point transformations is discussed in detail there.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between vector transformations and the momentum transformation question. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the nature of the transformation and its classification, with some participants expressing confusion and seeking clarification.

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qi is the cartesian coordinate, and Qi is the Generalized coordinate, why the momentum under the two coordinates have this transformation way:
pi=∑Pj(∂Qj/∂qj)
pi and Pi are corresponding momentum under the two coordinate respectively.
 
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Hi rtransformation. Welcome to the forum.

This is how vectors transform under a coordinate transformation. You need to study vector transformations. For example, rotations, changes to spherical or cylindrical coordinates, etc.

So the reason that momentum transforms this way is that it is a vector.
 
DEvens said:
Hi rtransformation. Welcome to the forum.

This is how vectors transform under a coordinate transformation. You need to study vector transformations. For example, rotations, changes to spherical or cylindrical coordinates, etc.

So the reason that momentum transforms this way is that it is a vector.
Thank you! I really need to study some basic knowledge now...Thank you again.
 
DEvens said:
Hi rtransformation. Welcome to the forum.

This is how vectors transform under a coordinate transformation. You need to study vector transformations. For example, rotations, changes to spherical or cylindrical coordinates, etc.

So the reason that momentum transforms this way is that it is a vector.
actually, I didn't find the relation between the vector transformation and my question, could you please be more specific and help me solve this problem?Thank you very much.
Is this transformation a contact transformation?
 
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rtransformation said:
actually, I didn't find the relation between the vector transformation and my question, could you please be more specific and help me solve this problem?Thank you very much.
Is this transformation a contact transformation?

I have no idea if it is a "contact transformation." I looked up "contact transformation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_geometry

It was fun, but seemed to be somewhat far afield from your question.

What sort of answer would satisfy you? This is how a vector transforms under a coordinate change. It is part of the definition of a vector.
 
DEvens said:
I have no idea if it is a "contact transformation." I looked up "contact transformation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_geometry

It was fun, but seemed to be somewhat far afield from your question.

What sort of answer would satisfy you? This is how a vector transforms under a coordinate change. It is part of the definition of a vector.

I just want to know how I can get this result through derivation.:frown:
 
I would suggest looking at a graduate level classical mechanics book in a chapter on canonical transformations.
 
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MisterX said:
I would suggest looking at a graduate level classical mechanics book in a chapter on canonical transformations.
Thank you, I now get it.
 
rtransformation said:
Thank you, I now get it.
I'm not sure I do though. Would you mind posting your explanation for the curious reader?
 
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MisterX said:
I'm not sure I do though. Would you mind posting your explanation for the curious reader?
I found it in the Walter Greiner‘s famous classical mechanics book “Classical Mechanics——Systems of Particles and Hamiltonian Dynamics” ,Chapter 19——Canonical Transformation,and what I asked is the point transformation which is discussed in detail in this book.
 

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