What Essential Items Should I Consider When Moving Out for the First Time?

[JasonRox]

I've been looking at apartments and there is a good chance that I may be moving out by May 1st.

The current expenses are what I don't know yet. I'm not sure if utilities are included or what not. I contacted them about it and they should get back to me hopefully by tomorrow.

Anyways, here is what I have in mind.

What I already have...

Laptop
Desk
TV
DVD Player
Bookshelves
File Cabinet
Clock
Heater
Air Filter
Lots of Tools
Comforter

What I know I need...

Dish Towels
Dry Towels
Bathroom Towels
Cutlery
Plates
Pan and Pot
Microwave
Cleaning Supplies
Pillow
Blanket
Mattress (Air or whatever is cheap.)

Is there anything else?

All the apartments I looked at have Stove and Fridge. I'll most like be living with no cable and internet and maybe even no phone.

Am I missing anything?

 

[scorpa]

Is the apartment furnished? If not you may want to invest in a couch, or some decent chairs. Assuming the place isn't air conditioned I would recommend bringing a fan, the first place I moved into I never turned the heat on, could crack the window when it was 40 below outside and it would still be to hot in there, the fan was definitely something I was glad to have. Maybe a plunger for the bathroom. Depending on the place you may need to supply your own shower curtain, and definitely a bath mat if you want one. Maybe a toaster, blender or coffee maker if you think you would use it. I'm trying to run through the list of things I got when I moved out but I'm kind of drawing a blank. I'll think some more but everything looks good so far.

 

[Dr Transport]

Go and get yourself a double size matress, commonly known as a double. You don't need a box spring or anything else.

I lived in a house for 2 months with:
bed
a couple of towels
fridge
stove
2 servings of silverwear
plates
pot
coffee pot
table
chair
frying pan
broom
dust pan
radio
phone
clock

I eventually bought a lawn mower and gas can.

The neighbors thought I was weird until they saw me installing a swing set for my kids who were coming in a couple of weeks. They saw a guy leave in the am, come home at dinner time, occasionally leave to get some groceries, run a few days a week and go to church and the laundromat on Sunday am.

I call that period my "Gilligans Island" adventure.

Within 6 months you'll have more crap than you ever thought you'd ever need.

 

[JasonRox]

Is the apartment furnished? If not you may want to invest in a couch, or some decent chairs. Assuming the place isn't air conditioned I would recommend bringing a fan, the first place I moved into I never turned the heat on, could crack the window when it was 40 below outside and it would still be to hot in there, the fan was definitely something I was glad to have. Maybe a plunger for the bathroom. Depending on the place you may need to supply your own shower curtain, and definitely a bath mat if you want one. Maybe a toaster, blender or coffee maker if you think you would use it. I'm trying to run through the list of things I got when I moved out but I'm kind of drawing a blank. I'll think some more but everything looks good so far.

Thanks for everything.

For the couch, I'm going to wait until later for that. One of the places is conditionned, and my heater is a fan as well. Not a good one though, so maybe I'll find a nice one at a garage sale.

I'll never use a toaster, blender or coffee maker so no worries there.

 

[JasonRox]

Go and get yourself a double size matress, commonly known as a double. You don't need a box spring or anything else.

I lived in a house for 2 months with:
bed
a couple of towels
fridge
stove
2 servings of silverwear
plates
pot
coffee pot
table
chair
frying pan
broom
dust pan
radio
phone
clock

I eventually bought a lawn mower and gas can.

The neighbors thought I was weird until they saw me installing a swing set for my kids who were coming in a couple of weeks. They saw a guy leave in the am, come home at dinner time, occasionally leave to get some groceries, run a few days a week and go to church and the laundromat on Sunday am.

I call that period my "Gilligans Island" adventure.

Within 6 months you'll have more crap than you ever thought you'd ever need.

I might not have enough money to buy a mattress. Or a place to put clothes.

I'll get quite a bit of stuff over time like you said, but I want to nail down the things I'll need right away.

I'll be taking trips to garage sales for sure.

 

[FredGarvin]

The only other thing I would say to make sure that you have is your wits. Especially with money. I know it sounds corny, but it gets proven time and time again. When you get your first place you will "nickel and dime yourself" to death. By that I mean that you will unknowingly spend a ton of money getting those little things you take for granted. The big ticket items show up on your radar really well. However, those $2 and $5 here and there for stupid things like soap or toothpaste, etc... do add up very quickly. Just beware. You will be surprised how fast it racks up.

Good luck and enjoy the wonderful world of apartment living.

 

[scorpa]

Thanks for everything.

For the couch, I'm going to wait until later for that. One of the places is conditionned, and my heater is a fan as well. Not a good one though, so maybe I'll find a nice one at a garage sale.

I'll never use a toaster, blender or coffee maker so no worries there.

For the couch if you don't want to buy new look around at garage sales, bargain finder, ask family...ect that is how I got mine...brand new couch but the people were moving again and didn't want to take it with them so I got it for 50 bucks

Another thing that might come in handy for storage if you need it is those rubbermaid containers you can get at Canadian tire or stores like that, i have some that i just throw stuff in and slide under my bed.

Extension cords come in handy every once in a while.

For the apartment I have now I also found it had no lighting, so I had to buy some floor lamps so I could see. I got a few at IKEA for 20 bucks each, they don't look to bad and are very bright.

 

[JasonRox]

The only other thing I would say to make sure that you have is your wits. Especially with money. I know it sounds corny, but it gets proven time and time again. When you get your first place you will "nickel and dime yourself" to death. By that I mean that you will unknowingly spend a ton of money getting those little things you take for granted. The big ticket items show up on your radar really well. However, those $2 and $5 here and there for stupid things like soap or toothpaste, etc... do add up very quickly. Just beware. You will be surprised how fast it racks up.

Good luck and enjoy the wonderful world of apartment living.

I currently buy my own groceries, toothpaste and what not. I'm totally aware of that.

I really hope it's not that bad. I'm looking forward to independence.

 

[FredGarvin]

It's not horrible. Just be prepared for a bit of a surprise, that's all.

Independence is the best. Nothing beats it.

 

[DaveC426913]

You need a roommate. I'll give you his number. May 1st works great.

 

[Cyrus]

I've been looking at apartments and there is a good chance that I may be moving out by May 1st.

The current expenses are what I don't know yet. I'm not sure if utilities are included or what not. I contacted them about it and they should get back to me hopefully by tomorrow.

Anyways, here is what I have in mind.

What I already have...

Laptop
Desk
TV
DVD Player
Bookshelves
File Cabinet
Clock
Heater
Air Filter
Lots of Tools
Comforter

What I know I need...

Dish Towels
Dry Towels
Bathroom Towels
Cutlery
Plates
Pan and Pot
Microwave
Cleaning Supplies
Pillow
Blanket
Mattress (Air or whatever is cheap.)

Is there anything else?

All the apartments I looked at have Stove and Fridge. I'll most like be living with no cable and internet and maybe even no phone.

Am I missing anything?

-phone
-cable
-internet

 

[Moonbear]

Does your desk also have a desk chair? If so, that will probably also suffice for a dining table until you can get one. Otherwise, a cheap card table and folding chair or two is good enough for a first apartment. I'd go for an actual mattress as well instead of an inflatable one (those just don't hold up well and while it's okay for a night or two, to use it as your regular bed will become uncomfortable quickly), or maybe you can find a futon at a garage sale to use as both bed and couch. Don't forget sheets for the bed and something for toting laundry (assuming you don't have a washer and dryer in your apartment, you'll need to use the laundromat).

A few cooking utensils and a baking pan would be helpful too (you have your pots and pans for the stove already on the list, but a 13" x 9" baking pan is also very versatile for anything you might need to cook in the oven).

Beyond that, you probably have more than most people move into their first place with. You'll figure out other stuff as you go along. Save some of the boxes you use for moving, because a sheet thrown over them will make them into a useful end table or coffee table in a pinch. You might also find you need a lamp or two for your desk if the rooms don't have good light in them.

I think the most shocking expense in a first apartment is that first grocery bill as you're stocking a pantry from scratch. Even with just a few basic spices, and condiments, it adds up quickly. If you can scavenge plastic containers for the freezer, that will help you out so you can store leftovers or buy some bulk items that you can divide up for smaller serving sizes. But, worse comes to worst, you just eat rather bland food for a while until you can gradually build up a stock of ingredients.

I went for years without cable, and you'll find there's not much to miss. Can you find places where you live that have free wireless for internet access? Order a cup of coffee and hang out for an hour or so there to do what you need to do online. I would recommend you do get a phone though, even if it's just the cheapest phone plan and cheapest phone you can get. If you have problems with something and need to call the landlord, or have an emergency, you'll need a phone. Oh, and don't forget your library card. If you're going to be without cable TV (how much reception do you get on just an antenna there?) and without internet access and really limiting how much time you spend on the phone (or without a phone at all), you're going to need something to keep yourself occupied when home by yourself, so it'll probably be lots of reading.

Good luck and enjoy your independence.

 

[Cyrus]

Mattress (Air or whatever is cheap.)

That is a bad idea. Just sleep on the floor, its much better for your back than an air mattress.

 

[Danger]

-phone
-cable
-internet

None of those are important. You can access internet through a local library or employment centre. It will cut into your PF time to do it that way, but them's the breaks. Alternatively, if you have Airport you can piggyback on somebody else's wifi.
In case Scorpa's prediction of your heating situation is mistaken, I would advise against using an air mattress. I tried it once; the damned thing sucks all the heat out of an electric blanket (or mattress pad in my case) before it can do you any good. It just expands instead of warming up.
A vacuum cleaner might be handy. Depending upon your wardrobe choices, you might also want an iron. (I've never used either myself, but I'm a slob. )

edit: I guess that I shouldn't watch TV and post at the same time. I just saw Moonie's contribution after I threw this one out. She does have a point about the phone, although a payphone in your immediate vicinity would suffice for outgoing calls.

 

[JasonRox]

Other things I have...

Lamps (3 of them)
Library Card (Library nearby with internet)

So, I'm adding...

Cheap Phone Plan (most likely cellphone)
Baking Pan
Real Mattress
Cooking Utensils

Also, note that laundry is on site.

For food, like I said, I already buy groceries. I don't use any spices besides Chili Powder and Black Pepper. I don't even use sugar, salt, ketchup, mustard, mayo, butter, and lots of things. I have everything I need for food right now, so I'm alright for that. I just eat produce, chicken and pasta basically.

Thanks Moonbeak for all the great advice!

 

[JasonRox]

More to add...

Broom (cheaper than a vacuum)

I can live without an iron.

 

[Danger]

While a broom is definitely cheaper, it won't work on carpet or upholstery. An electric broom is a reasonable compromise, and you can get a used one for about $5.

 

[JasonRox]

Great point!

Damn, I've cleaned a carpet before. It's probably a pain in the arse!

 

[jtbell]

Remember, having to borrow stuff is a great excuse to talk to your neighbors. That's how I got to know the woman who became my wife a few years later.

 

[Cyrus]

None of those are important. You can access internet through a local library or employment centre. It will cut into your PF time to do it that way, but them's the breaks. Alternatively, if you have Airport you can piggyback on somebody else's wifi.
In case Scorpa's prediction of your heating situation is mistaken, I would advise against using an air mattress. I tried it once; the damned thing sucks all the heat out of an electric blanket (or mattress pad in my case) before it can do you any good. It just expands instead of warming up.
A vacuum cleaner might be handy. Depending upon your wardrobe choices, you might also want an iron. (I've never used either myself, but I'm a slob. )

edit: I guess that I shouldn't watch TV and post at the same time. I just saw Moonie's contribution after I threw this one out. She does have a point about the phone, although a payphone in your immediate vicinity would suffice for outgoing calls.

You didnt read his post and my reply, did you?

 

[JasonRox]

I read all the posts.

 

[Danger]

I've cleaned a carpet before. It's probably a pain in the arse!

Only if you clean it the way my Corgi used to...

You didnt read his post and my reply, did you?

I did, but I don't see your point.

 

[Cyrus]

He said:

Is there anything else?

All the apartments I looked at have Stove and Fridge. I'll most like be living with no cable and internet and maybe even no phone.

Am I missing anything?

And I said,

-internet
-cable
-phone

Those are the things missing from the list. arg, you killed my sarcasm. I am going to punish you by taking a few cases of your beer.

 

[Cyrus]

Where is your appt at Jason? I know some appartments are beehives of hot women...jeeeezus. If that's the case, listen to JTBell.

 

[Danger]

you killed my sarcasm. I am going to punish you by taking a few cases of your beer.

Okay, I totally missed that. Sorry.
And, being a Yank, you can't handle my beer. Stick to that fish piss that they sell in the other 50 provinces.

 

[Cyrus]

Leave our caviar alone man.

 

[rhuthwaite]

More to add...

Broom (cheaper than a vacuum)

I can live without an iron.

You can't live without an iron! No girl is going to want to go out with a guy who looks like he's slept in his clothes
You need an iron appearance means alot! Not to mention if you wanting a job you can't go to the job interview crumpled its an absolute No NO

 

[jtbell]

That's what Perma-Press [TM] clothes are for!

 

[Moonbear]

Yeah, you really don't need an iron. If you need to dress up for an interview, just take the suit to the drycleaners and have them press it. Most people don't wear stuff that needs a lot of ironing anyway as long as you fold the clothes promptly after coming out of the dryer.

If you can find a used vacuum, that's good, otherwise, a broom will pick up large debris off a carpet, and you might be able to find a neighbor who will let you borrow a vacuum (as others suggested, it's a good way to meet the neighbors). Since you have tools, you may find you can work out a good trade arrangement that you borrow their vacuum and iron occassionally, and they borrow some tools you have occassionally.

Don't worry, usually the excitement of getting to live on your own wins over the nervousness of moving out from your parents' protection. And, unless you're getting kicked out by them, I'm sure if you have the odd need, they'd be happy to let you stop by to iron a few shirts or borrow a vacuum for a weekend, as long as it's only once in a while and you're mostly managing on your own.

 

[BobG]

A couple cases of bottled beer bought in the wooden cases (if anybody still sells those). The cases make good end tables and it's not like you're really paying for them. It's more like money in the bank. If funds get tight, you have something you can return to get your deposit back.

Plus, of course, you get to drink the beer.

And a collander or strainer. But if you eat a lot of pasta, you probably already have one. A plate against the top of the pot works, but I remember I decided I really needed one after having to improvise about two or three times.

 

[Danger]

This slipped my mind until Bob's last post. I always like to keep a stash of nylon and/or aluminum screen around. It's cheaper than dirt, and has lots of uses. One of those is to stretch a piece through an embroidery hoop (about 50¢ at a craft or fabric shop) to act as a strainer. With a stick duct-taped on for a handle, this can double as an improvised fly-swatter, although you might want to wash it before using it for your pasta, or a badminton racquet should you happen to be invited to a match.
A bigger piece (aluminum only) makes a good safety guard when you're frying bacon naked, and you can make your own teabags out of little bits. Some of it scrunched up works as a 'scrubby' for cleaning pots and such.
Last, but not least, a bunch of it rolled up and stuffed in a paper-towel tube serves as a semi-effective silencer if you have to start shooting mice.

 

[JasonRox]

Danger that's a bit too creative!

I'll just buy a strainer.

So, adding to my list...

- Strainer

I guess there could be a lot of hot women around, but I doubt it. The two places that I'm thinking about definitely most likely not. But the third place, there is a chance for it though.

There is one place that has the sweetest spot. It has a park nearby (2 minutes), bus terminal nearby (2 minutes) and library nearby (2 minutes), and among other things. The only problem is that it costs $100 more than the cheapest place. The cheapest place is like 7-8 minute walk from all the above. Really close to my buddies house though.

 

[neurocomp2003]

MILK CRATES: THEY ARE YOUR FRIEND...you live in teh ontario area right?

They are multipurpose. Act as the bottom of your bed(if you have wooden planks) shelving and clothing unit...Dinner table...if you can get your hand on long planks of wood and like 6 milk creates you can make yourself one helluva tv unit/bookshelf/clothing unit.

Best thing is that if you go to the right school they sometimes leave it out in the open...and if you scrounge aroud you may be able to find the cafeteria or labs getting rid of some.

Make sure you wash them though =].

Oh yeah and when you move agin they will be with you for a long time carrying your books.

I still use like 7 or 8 in my room. As clothing/book storage.

 

[JasonRox]

I work at a grocery store. I can get my hands on some crates if I need them.

 

[GeorginaS]

I didn't see this mentioned yet, so I'll mention it. Buy a can opener. For some reason, when I first got my own apartment, I sort of assumed they just "came with the place". I'd never witnessed anyone ever actually purchasing one of those. But after I'd finished my first major grocery shopping trip and decided to open a can of soup for lunch, I noticed a bit of a problem.

 

[turbo]

Okay, I totally missed that. Sorry.
And, being a Yank, you can't handle my beer. Stick to that fish piss that they sell in the other 50 provinces.

Watch what you say about Yanks and beer. I made my own for many years. Drink one 16 oz bottle before supper and you won't remember what you had for supper. Drink two and you won't remember if you even had supper. If I can't get to the Oak Pond Brewery for some jugs of micro-brewed ales, I'll take German/Dutch imports, though sometime I drink that watery Molsen Golden when I'm on a "light beer" kick.

 

[turbo]

Jason, get a spray bottle and a big bottle of rubbing alcohol. Mix the alcohol 50:50 with tap water in the sprayer. It's great for cleaning windows and mirrors, countertops, and other surfaces. It works great and it's way cheaper than commercially-available cleaners and it disinfects (kind of a nice feature since you don't know the personal habits of the previous tenant). This stuff is great around the bathroom, too, and it won't poison you with nasty fumes like some cleaners. If you don't have cleaning rags/cloths, you might need to buy a couple of big rolls of paper towels for your initial cleaning of the apartment. Hint - clean the apartment BEFORE you move in - it's a whole lot faster and easier that way.

 

[JasonRox]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm really noticing on the tiny things I need as I'm thinking about it.

Right now, I'm working out the finances. So far, from what I read and heard is that my parents need to pay child support. My dad is already paying child support while my mom is not. She thinks she is, but really she isn't. It's complicated. I'll have to talk to a legal aid advisor and see what the facts are. If I get child support, then I certainly have way more than enough to live. If not, I'll make just enough to live. Say $700 a month for rent and expenses plus $200 a month for groceries. And I'll make about $1000 cash a month. That's if I get no child support. It's really tight, and I might have to get another job, but it's worth it.

My current situation. My mom moved out. So technically I'm living on my own. I do my own laundry, dishes, cooking, and grocery shopping and all that. But the problem is that my mom charges us $300 rent (those in the house), but I'm paying with my dad's child support of way more than that. But my mom's child support is... I don't know where it is because I never see it, so really it's in my rent. So, technically I'm paying way more than that in rent. She doesn't know I know this, which really bothers me because she wastes money on a lot of stuff. Anyways, the rest of the money from my dad's child support pays for groceries and a bit more.

So, if I moved out, I would technically be paying less in rent according to the numbers. But honestly, I wouldn't need all the money. I just want to move out. Whatever is left after say rent and some groceries, I'll split it up and give it back. I just want out for the following reasons...

I'll will have much less stress. Sure I'll get the stress of I don't have this or that, or I need to pay this or that, but that's SSSSSSOOOOOOO much better than stress about people whining about nothing and complaining about nothing. Everything has to be done their way or no way. I like to do dishes and let them sit out to dry. That's just me.

Now, my sister is pregnant and is expected in like 4-5 weeks! So, like they already said I have to do more work around the house and stuff. And babysit and whatever. That's not right at all. I'll help out, but I'm not obligated to. I don't have to babysit just because my sister wants to go out. That's just ridiculous.

It's really insane in my house. I need pppppppeeeeeeaaaaaaaacccccccceeeeee and quiet.

If you cared to read until now, what do you think?

 

[Moonbear]

Can't you find a place for less than $700 in rent? That's a lot. Especially if, given your expected food budget (guys sure do eat a lot, don't they?), you're only leaving $100 leftover for incidental expenses, utilities, etc.

If all the places really are that expensive, then you might want to find a roommate to share expenses. Or, as you suggested, get a second job. Afterall, if your place is fairly sparse on stuff anyway, what much else will you have to do with your time?

Given what you've described of your family situation, personally, I'd pass on accepting child support (How does that work out anyway? Aren't you over 18? And if you're moving into your own place, why should either of your parents support you anymore?). Afterall, if your parents are still giving you money, they still have a good deal of control in dictating what you do and how you use it.

I can definitely understand getting out when they are expecting you to help out with your sister's child. That's not your problem or responsibility, and any babysitting you do should be out of your own free will and desire to do so, not to let your sister have a life...that was her choice to have a child, so hers to live with as well. And, it's wise of you to see this and not get sucked in. I had a friend from high school whose parents put her in a similar situation when her older sister got pregnant. Instead of going to college, which she really wanted to do, she was basically forced to be a live-in nanny so her sister could have a life, while she had none. I never could understand how parents could be so lopsided in their expectations from their two children, but wished she would have just left like you plan to so she could live her own life and not her sister's. And, yeah, living with a baby when you don't want to live with a baby isn't much fun either.

Oh, yeah, and Georgina's suggestion about a can opener is a good one. That had me laughing, because I did the same thing when I first moved into dorms...got some canned food for the room, was all set to eat, and then realized I didn't have a can opener. Fortunately, in dorms you can borrow someone else's until you get your own, or else I'd probably have been attacking the can with a screwdriver or something.

 

[JasonRox]

Can't you find a place for less than $700 in rent? That's a lot. Especially if, given your expected food budget (guys sure do eat a lot, don't they?), you're only leaving $100 leftover for incidental expenses, utilities, etc.

That's included all the in the rent.

The most expensive place I'm looking at is $586 and the cheapest is $475. I included the extra $100+ as expenses. No internet or cable.

 

[JasonRox]

Moonbear you gave all great advice.

The reason I'm not skipping out on child support is because I'm still in school full-time. According to the divorce agreement, they have to pay. My dad said he's willing to continue paying if I move out. He was hoping my sister would move out. She makes a good deal of money, like a lot! Our whole family wonders where all the money goes. Anyways, I'm moving out instead. My brother plans on following suit in September. I can't live with him either. He gets miserable really quick... really quick. And eats my stuff with asking sometimes... a lot of stuff like a whole pan of pizza sometimes.

Of course, I can still skip out on the child support. But if I can get some of it, why not? I can't do two jobs during school. I have one year left why delay it even more. Why **** myself up the ass because my sister is getting a kid? I talked to other parents about my situation (best friends parents and girlfriends parents) where I can explain the situation, and they seem to also agree that I should get some support. I didn't put myself in this mess. Either way, I'm moving out with child support or not. If I don't get it, I will opt out for the cheaper places for sure.

Note: I've been in the middle of a tug-o-war of money between my parents for a long time. Of course, you can say I will still be in a tug-o-war, but atleast I won't hear about it. Hang up the phone or shut the door. Bye, bye.

 

[JasonRox]

One more thing...

My sister and brother also whine a lot on how I should get kicked out or move out. My mom threaten to kick me out. It's ridiculous. Why hasn't it happened? Because I'm a big pool of money. I get kicked out and they lose a lot of money.

So, I'm just going to move out myself. Believe it or not, I was in such fear of where I could be going for the last like 4-5 months. I already had plans with my girlfriends mom and best friend in the case that I get kicked out, so that I had a place to live. I also even fear that the second I say I'm moving out that they will kick me out that instant and not let me take my stuff. Believe or not, before I tell them, I will have packed boxes already at a friends house.

If I can get child support, I get it. I'm entitled to it. It says it's for the child and not for the parent. And all parents that the child is not dependent on must pay, so that means if I move out, they must pay.

It's hell and don't know this. I just realized awhile ago about how much stress this puts on me. I want out... FAST! If it wasn't for finals right now, I'd be out. But, I have to do school first. And it's affecting school! Dammit!

 

[Hurkyl]

Save some of the boxes you use for moving, because a sheet thrown over them will make them into a useful end table or coffee table in a pinch.

In a pinch? The box my monitor came in has been my nightstand for four years, and I still can't imagine a "real" nightstand doing the job any better.

 

[JasonRox]

I just realized something no one else said!

A nail cutter!

 

[Moonbear]

I just realized something no one else said!

A nail cutter!

Nah, you don't need that...you can just bite your nails. Well, that gets kind of difficult and gross if your toenails need trimming though. Do you have scissors or a sharp knife?

 

[turbo]

Nah, you don't need that...you can just bite your nails. Well, that gets kind of difficult and gross if your toenails need trimming though. Do you have scissors or a sharp knife?

Jason, Moonie will personally trim your toenails with her teeth. It's part of the PF sisterhood outreach program. Be nice and wash your feet first and don't wear your stinky sneakers that day. PS, you might want to have a few pieces of high-cocao dark chocolate ready, because the sisters get cranky when they go into choco-withdrawal. Don't be rude to Moonie or MIH will stalk you with very large fish - frozen fish if your offense is blatant.

 

[JasonRox]

Man, biting nails or someone else's nails!

I used to bite my own as a kid because some cool kids did. I'm happy not to have that habit anymore.

 

[turbo]

Man, biting nails or someone else's nails!

I used to bite my own as a kid because some cool kids did. I'm happy not to have that habit anymore.

Let me get this straight - you chewed off your own toenails because some "cool" kids did? Some of my childhood in the '50s-'60s was strained and dysfunctional at times, but I never got anywhere near that weirdness.

 

[rhuthwaite]

haha that can't be good for you! ewww disgusting... How did they end up as a cool kid?! cool kids played kissing catches, and did pretty ordinary things, biting your toe nails is just foul! hmmm...

 

[Cyrus]

Man, get away from your family. Thats one screwed up bunch you got there...

Also, your well past 18. I don't think your parents have to pay you a dime, legally.