What Explains the Non-Linear Tone Changes in My Crystal Radio Experiment?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnetic fields and their effects on a crystal radio experiment, particularly focusing on the non-linear tone changes observed when varying distances from the circuit. Participants explore the nature of magnetic fields, their representation through field lines, and the implications of distance on field strength.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the strength of a magnetic field decreases at a constant rate with distance, citing observations from a crystal radio experiment where tone changes occurred non-linearly as their hand approached the circuit.
  • Another participant explains that fields generally do not fall off linearly with distance, referencing the geometry of magnetic fields around a current-carrying wire and suggesting that the relationship may vary with the shape of the magnet.
  • A suggestion is made to consider the inverse square law as a potential explanation for field behavior.
  • One participant clarifies that field lines in diagrams do not represent actual gaps but rather indicate field strength, with closer lines signifying stronger fields.
  • Another participant mentions that fields decay in a characteristic "dipole" fashion and that field lines serve as a useful graphical tool.
  • The original poster notes the repeatability of tones at specific distances from the circuit, raising questions about what was being measured or detected in their experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of magnetic field strength and its representation, with some agreeing on the general behavior of fields while others highlight the complexity and potential for non-linear effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms behind the tone changes observed in the crystal radio experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the technical aspects of fields and their mathematical descriptions, indicating a reliance on conceptual explanations rather than definitive answers.

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Does the strength of a magnetic field become weaker at a constant rate the further you get away from it? I ask this question for two reasons.

1 - When iron filings are placed on a piece of paper and and a magnet is placed under it, there are definite lines of magnetic force visible that become less obvious the further they are away from the magnet.

2 - When I was into electronics, I built a crystal radio and attached a single transistor amplifier to it. I then removed the tuning coil and replaced it with a single piece of wire and replaced the tuning capacitor with one of a fixed value (I can't remember what value). I noticed that as my hand moved close to the circuit a tone was generated in the ear piece that changed in a non-linear fashion. There would be a tone, then silence, a different tone, then more silence as my hand moved closer or further from the circuit. It also worked with electrical wiring behind a wall, whether or not the wire was part of an active circuit.

So, are the lines of force you see in diagrams of magnetic fields actual, measurable, lines of force with 'gaps' of lesser strength between them? What about gravitational fields and electromagnetic fields?

I've tried researching it on the net, but I'm definitely not up with the technical aspects!
 
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Any kind of field, electric, magnetic or gravitational, would fall off linearly with distance only if you had a geometry where it falls off in the same way the circumference of a circle increases with radius. Therefore, if you consider the magnetic field generated by a long, straight current-carrying wire, you have cylindrical symmetry in the magnetic field around it, so expect the expression for magnetic field at some point in space to have a (2 pi r) in the denominator. For magnets of irregular shape, the relationship may or may not be approximately linear, but never perfectly linear.
 
Take a look at the inverse square law, that may help.
 
There are no real gaps between the lines on a diagram. The symbolism is that the lines being closer together, that is, drawing more lines per unit of area on the diagram, represents the field having a greater magnitude. Therefore lines are close together at the poles of a magnet, and further apart at some distance away.

The historical curiosity is that Michael Faraday was poor at mathematics, so he invented diagrams with lines to represent electrical and magnetic fields without having to describe them with equations. Maxwell later have Faraday's discoveries mathematical expression.
 
Fields are measurable, and they do decay in a characteristic "dipole" fashion. The field lines are just a graphing tool, useful for plotting a field on a piece of paper.
 
Thanks very much for the responses. I read about the Inverse Square Law and Maxwell's 'update' of Faraday. So the magnetic field just gets weaker the further it gets from the magnet.

What about my point two? The tone generated wasn't a tone that went from weak to strong or high pitched to low pitched in one go. I noticed that at a certain dstance from my skin, it would give a certain tone, at other distances there would be no tone. The tones were repeatable for the distances; ie. at 15 cm there would be a certain tone. If I moved it away and then back to 15 cm, I would get the same tone. The same thing occurred with the electrical wire.

Any ideas on what was being measured or picked up?
 

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