What Forces Act on a Pulley System with Two Masses?

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a pulley system with two masses, focusing on the dynamics of the masses as one moves horizontally and the other vertically. Participants explore the implications of tension in the string and the effects of acceleration on the movement of the masses.

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  • Participants analyze the forces acting on each mass, questioning the role of tension and the effects of initial velocities. They discuss the vertical and horizontal components of motion and how they relate to the forces in the system.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the force balances for each mass and questioning assumptions about the direction of motion and acceleration. Some participants have offered clarifications on the relationships between the forces and the resulting movements.

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There are discussions about the initial conditions of the system, including the assumption of zero speed and the implications of the string's length remaining constant. Participants are also considering the effects of different components of acceleration on the movement of the masses.

  • #61
Your original approach was good. You noted that the downward force on m2 is greater than the downward force on m1 (except initially when θ = 0 and the forces are equal). Equivalently, you could say that the upward force on m2 is less than the upward force on m1. So, the upward acceleration of m2 is less than the upward acceleration of m1. Thus m1 rises more quickly.
 
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TSny said:
Your original approach was good. You noted that the downward force on m2 is greater than the downward force on m1 (except initially when θ = 0 and the forces are equal). Equivalently, you could say that the upward force on m2 is less than the upward force on m1. So, the upward acceleration of m2 is less than the upward acceleration of m1. Thus m1 rises more quickly.

What about this reasoning ?

After a very short time , right mass would be moving horizontally towards right .This would lead to lengthening of right string .Correspondingly left string shortens and in the process left mass moves upwards .Left mass would be higher than right mass .
 
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TSny said:
Yes, I enjoyed this one a lot.

Now , I can also say , ME TOO :biggrin:
 
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Jahnavi said:
What about this reasoning ?

After a very short time , right mass would be moving horizontally towards right .This would lead to lengthening of right string .Correspondingly left string shortens and in the process left mass moves upwards .Left mass would be higher than right mass .
After a very short but finite time, the right mass would be moving both to the right and upward.
At t = 0, the right mass is only moving to the right. But at this instant the string on the right is not getting longer (##\dot r_2 = 0##). Neither mass is moving upward at t = 0. So, the argument is a little vague. But the argument is suggestive of what's going on.
 
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Jahnavi said:
Now , I can also say , ME TOO :biggrin:
That is very good to hear:smile:
 
  • #66
I learned a lot from you TSny . Excellent discussion !

Thanks a lot !

A big Thank You @Chestermiller :smile:
 

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