What Happens to the Limit of This Function as T Approaches Infinity?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of a function as \( T \) approaches infinity, specifically examining the behavior of an expression involving energy \( E \) and its asymptotic properties. Participants explore the implications of the limit in the context of oblique versus horizontal asymptotes, with a focus on mathematical reasoning and examples.

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  • One participant presents the limit expression and notes that it appears to approach the form \( \frac{1}{0} \) as \( T \) approaches infinity, seeking clarification on this behavior.
  • Another participant suggests that the presence of \( T \) in the expression indicates the search for an oblique asymptote rather than a horizontal one, proposing that \( \pd E T \to Nk_B \) leads to \( E \to Nk_BT \) as \( T \to \infty \).
  • A subsequent participant requests an example to clarify the concept of oblique asymptotes and the reasoning behind \( \pd E T \to Nk_B \).
  • A further participant provides an example function \( f(x) = \frac{1}{x} + x + 1 \) to illustrate the concept of oblique asymptotes, explaining how to find the slope through the limit of the derivative as \( x \to \infty \).

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of the limit and the nature of asymptotes, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the limit or the behavior of the function as \( T \) approaches infinity.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in determining the limit or the implications of the asymptotic behavior, leaving certain assumptions and definitions open to interpretation.

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$$\lim_{{T}\to{\infty}}N \bar{h}\omega \left( \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)$$
In term $$\lim_{{T}\to{\infty}}N \bar{h}\omega \left( \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)=N \bar{h}\omega \lim_{{T}\to{\infty}}\left( \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)$$
but $$\left( \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)$$ in the form $$\frac{1}{0}$$
please give me a idea

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Hi Another,

The expression for $E$ still has a $T$ in it when $T\to\infty$.
It means that we are looking for an oblique asymptote instead of a horizontal asymptote.
That is, if $T\to\infty$ we should find that $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, so that that we get the oblique asymptote $E\to Nk_BT$.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Hi Another,

The expression for $E$ still has a $T$ in it when $T\to\infty$.
It means that we are looking for an oblique asymptote instead of a horizontal asymptote.
That is, if $T\to\infty$ we should find that $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, so that that we get the oblique asymptote $E\to Nk_BT$.

I do not understand, please give an example to explain it?

why $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, ?
 
Another said:
I do not understand, please give an example to explain it?

why $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, ?

Consider the function given by $f(x)=\frac 1x + x + 1$.
It has:
$$\lim_{x\to\infty} f(x) = \infty $$

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It also has the oblique asymptote $y=x+1$.
We can find its slope through the limit of $f'(x)$ when $x\to\infty$.
We have:
$$\lim_{x\to\infty} f'(x) =\lim_{x\to\infty} \left(-\frac{1}{x^2} + 1\right) = 1$$
Therefore the oblique asymptote exists and has slope $1$.
Put otherwise, when $x\to\infty$ we have that $f(x)\to x$.
Note that we didn't find the $y$-intercept yet, which we didn't need.
 

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