What Happens to the Limit of This Function as T Approaches Infinity?

  • Context: MHB 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Another1
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Infinity Limit
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the limit of the function $$\lim_{{T}\to{\infty}}N \bar{h}\omega \left( \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)$$ as T approaches infinity. It concludes that as T increases, the term $$\frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1}$$ approaches an oblique asymptote rather than a horizontal one, leading to the expression for energy $$E\to Nk_BT$$. The discussion also illustrates the concept of oblique asymptotes using the function $$f(x)=\frac{1}{x}+x+1$$, demonstrating that $$\lim_{x\to\infty} f'(x) = 1$$ confirms the existence of an oblique asymptote.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of limits in calculus
  • Familiarity with asymptotic behavior of functions
  • Knowledge of thermodynamic concepts, particularly related to temperature and energy
  • Basic differentiation techniques in calculus
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the concept of oblique asymptotes in more detail
  • Learn about the application of limits in thermodynamics
  • Explore advanced calculus topics, including L'Hôpital's rule
  • Investigate the relationship between temperature and energy in statistical mechanics
USEFUL FOR

Students of calculus, physicists, and anyone interested in the mathematical foundations of thermodynamics and asymptotic analysis.

Another1
Messages
39
Reaction score
0
$$\lim_{{T}\to{\infty}}N \bar{h}\omega \left( \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)$$
In term $$\lim_{{T}\to{\infty}}N \bar{h}\omega \left( \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)=N \bar{h}\omega \lim_{{T}\to{\infty}}\left( \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)$$
but $$\left( \frac{1}{e^{\frac{ \bar{h}\omega}{k_BT}}-1} \right)$$ in the form $$\frac{1}{0}$$
please give me a idea

View attachment 8741
 

Attachments

  • sdsdfsdf.png
    sdsdfsdf.png
    17.4 KB · Views: 142
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi Another,

The expression for $E$ still has a $T$ in it when $T\to\infty$.
It means that we are looking for an oblique asymptote instead of a horizontal asymptote.
That is, if $T\to\infty$ we should find that $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, so that that we get the oblique asymptote $E\to Nk_BT$.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Hi Another,

The expression for $E$ still has a $T$ in it when $T\to\infty$.
It means that we are looking for an oblique asymptote instead of a horizontal asymptote.
That is, if $T\to\infty$ we should find that $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, so that that we get the oblique asymptote $E\to Nk_BT$.

I do not understand, please give an example to explain it?

why $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, ?
 
Another said:
I do not understand, please give an example to explain it?

why $\pd E T\to Nk_B$, ?

Consider the function given by $f(x)=\frac 1x + x + 1$.
It has:
$$\lim_{x\to\infty} f(x) = \infty $$

[DESMOS]advanced: {"version":7,"graph":{"squareAxes":false,"viewport":{"xmin":-10,"ymin":-10,"xmax":10,"ymax":10}},"expressions":{"list":[{"type":"expression","id":"graph1","color":"#2d70b3","latex":"y=\\frac{1}{x}+x+1"},{"type":"expression","id":"2","color":"#388c46","latex":"y=x+1"}]}}[/DESMOS]
It also has the oblique asymptote $y=x+1$.
We can find its slope through the limit of $f'(x)$ when $x\to\infty$.
We have:
$$\lim_{x\to\infty} f'(x) =\lim_{x\to\infty} \left(-\frac{1}{x^2} + 1\right) = 1$$
Therefore the oblique asymptote exists and has slope $1$.
Put otherwise, when $x\to\infty$ we have that $f(x)\to x$.
Note that we didn't find the $y$-intercept yet, which we didn't need.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K