What Happens When an Object Is Dropped from the ISS?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an object, specifically a wooden spoon, when released from the International Space Station (ISS). Participants explore the implications of gravitational forces, orbital mechanics, and the effects of the tenuous atmosphere at the ISS's altitude. The conversation includes theoretical considerations about orbits and the dynamics of objects in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the spoon is released at zero relative velocity, it will orbit Earth at a constant distance from the ISS.
  • Others argue that if the spoon is given an impulse, it may enter a different orbit that could lead to it hitting Earth's surface or entering the atmosphere, with outcomes dependent on the angle of entry.
  • One participant mentions that the spoon's distance from the ISS could either decrease or increase due to the gravitational effects of the station and tidal forces from Earth, though they express reluctance to perform calculations.
  • Another participant elaborates on the concept of tidal forces, suggesting that if the spoon is released below the station, it would be moving too slowly for a circular orbit, resulting in a slightly elliptical orbit with periodic movement relative to the ISS.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of tidal forces in creating a differential gravitational effect, which could influence the spoon's orbit based on its release height relative to the station's center of gravity.
  • One participant introduces the idea of using differential gravity for attitude control in satellites, although they acknowledge the limitations of such a system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the behavior of the spoon when released from the ISS, with no consensus reached on the exact outcomes or dynamics involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion, including assumptions about the initial conditions of the spoon's release, the effects of the atmosphere at the ISS's altitude, and the complexities of orbital mechanics that remain unresolved.

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An astronaut on a revolving space station releases a wooden spoon out of the satellite, into empty space. Will the spoon fall toward Earth ? What will happen next ?
 
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If released at zero relative velocity, it will orbit earth, staying at a constant distance from the station. If given an impulse instead, it will take a different orbit, which may or may not hit Earth's surface (or cause it to enter the atmosphere and either rebound or burn depending on angle of entry I think). There should be some difference though if we take into account the tenuous atmosphere at the station's orbit which may slow down the spoon more (or less) than it does the station, but this would be a long term effect.
 
wabbit said:
If released at zero relative velocity, it will orbit earth, staying at a constant distance from the station.

I would say the distance will either decrease due to the gravity of the station and the tidal forces of Earth or it will increase due to the tidal forces of Earth, but I'm to lazy to calculate it.
 
What do you mean with "revolving"?

An astronaut is released from the ISS every time the astronaut stops touching the walls. What happens next?
 
DrStupid said:
I would say the distance will either decrease due to the gravity of the station and the tidal forces of Earth or it will increase due to the tidal forces of Earth, but I'm to lazy to calculate it.
Well, tidal forces mean differential gravity. So if the spoon is released below the station it will be moving marginally too slow for a circular orbit, which should give it a slightly elliptical orbit with a periodic movement relative to the station I guess. But if released at the same height as the center of gravity of the station, this tidal force is just the difference required for it to orbit at a constant distance on the same path.
 
wabbit said:
Well, tidal forces mean differential gravity. So if the spoon is released below the station it will be moving marginally too slow for a circular orbit, which should give it a slightly elliptical orbit with a periodic movement relative to the station I guess. But if released at the same height as the center of gravity of the station, this tidal force is just the difference required for it to orbit at a constant distance on the same path.

This is the correct answer. It's actually an important phenomenon. You can create a poor man's attitude control system for a satellite by just giving one axis a much larger moment of inertia than the other axes. Not a great attitude control system as you could easily see just by looking at what happens when the satellite moves, but you could keep one side generally pointed at the Earth. (Unless your gravity gradient boom flexes too much in response to temperature differentials and winds up flipping your satellite upside down, which has actually happened before.)
 
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