What Is an Alternative Domain for Sec(x)?

  • Thread starter Thread starter NightSky72
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Domain
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying an alternative domain for the secant function, sec(x), beyond the standard domain provided in a textbook. Participants are exploring the implications of different domains and their relationship to the inverse secant function, arcsec(x).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to identify alternative domains for sec(x) and are questioning whether the problem is asking for a new domain or a new range for arcsec(x). Some are considering the implications of sec(x) being a one-to-one function and how that affects the choice of domain.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on potential alternative domains and the reasoning behind them. Some have suggested specific intervals while others express confusion about the nature of the question and the validity of different domains. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various interpretations are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the standard domain for sec(x) is often debated in different texts, leading to questions about the validity of alternative domains. There is also mention of the need to restrict the domain of sec(x) to ensure it is one-to-one for the purpose of defining arcsec(x).

NightSky72
Messages
7
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


A problem in my textbook gives the domain of sec x as [0,(pi/2)) U ((pi/2), pi]. This makes perfect sense of course. However, it is asking for an alternate domain. I've looked at the graphs of both sec x and arcsec x to try to figure out a different domain for sec x(I looked at the range of arcsec x obviously), and I can't seem to come up with anything. Anyone know a different domain that can apply to the sec x? It seems like it shouldn't be hard, but for some reason I cannot get it. I've searched the internet for a different domai and kept finding the same as the one in my textbook.

Homework Equations


y = sec x

The Attempt at a Solution


I could only restate the domain as 0<= x <= pi, where x =/ (pi/2)
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
I would think that the domain of \sec x includes a whole lot more than that...
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Secant.html

I suspect that the question is asking for an alternative range for \sec^{-1}[/itex] instead.
 
That was something I was somewhat confused on, whether it was asking for a new domain for the sec x or a new range arcsec x. I was looking at the domain of sec x in terms of it being a one-to-one function. So the domain previously stated creates that. I also focused on a different range for arcsec, but I still can't seem to figure anything out. I actually visited that same site earlier, before posting here.
 
Let's say I know that:
\sec x = 1
can you list the possible values of x?

How does this compare to your notion of
\sec^{-1} 1
 
If sec x = 1, then the possible values for x are pi/4 and 5pi/4.
Arcsec 1 would yield the same thing wouldn't it? Arcsec 1 is the same thing as saying what angle yields a sec of 1, which is the same thing as the sec x = 1. I know you're trying to steer me in a certain direction, but I'm not sure I'm seeing that direction. Sorry about the delayed response, I had a few classes.
 
NightSky72 said:
If sec x = 1, then the possible values for x are pi/4 and 5pi/4.
Plus all multiples of 2\pi! There are an infinite number of values of x such that sec(x)= 1.

Arcsec 1 would yield the same thing wouldn't it? Arcsec 1 is the same thing as saying what angle yields a sec of 1, which is the same thing as the sec x = 1.
No, it's not. Arcsec(x) is a function and can return only one value. WHAT value that is depends on how you restrict sec(x) so that it is one-to-one (that's the whole point of this exercise). The standard choice is restrict sec(x) to x between -\pi/2 to 3\pi/2.

I know you're trying to steer me in a certain direction, but I'm not sure I'm seeing that direction. Sorry about the delayed response, I had a few classes.
 
I'm confused as to why you'd restrict the domain of the sec x to -pi/2 to 3pi/2. If you used that domain as the range of the arcsec x, would that even work? The range of the arcsec x is 0 to pi. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the question. Here it is, from the book:

In the definition above, the inverse secant function is defined by restricting the domain of the secant function to the intervals [0, pi/2)U(pi/2, pi]. Most other texts and references agree with this, but some disagree. What other domains might make sense?
 
Well, I wrote that very quickly, after looking at a rough graph! 0 to pi, skipping, of course, pi/2 looks right. The other possible values would then be pi to 2pi, skipping, 3pi/2, or -pi to 0, skipping -pi/2. On each of those sec is single valued so arcsec exists. Any of those can be used to define arcsin. The "usual rule" is to stay as close to 0 as possible.
 
That's why I'm confused. It seems too simple to just change the domain in that manner and say it is a "new" domain, much less have some textbooks "disagree" with the stated domain. I'm going to e-mail my professor about this as well. Thanks for your help.
 

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
24
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K