Domain and how it relates to a Level Curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the domain of the function f(x,y) = 1/sqrt(x^2-y) and sketching its level curves for specific values. Participants explore the implications of the domain on the level curves and the correct interpretation of the inequalities involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conditions for the domain, specifically the inequalities x^2 > y and x^2 - y ≠ 0. There are questions about how to represent the domain visually on the level curves, particularly regarding which regions should be shaded or marked as outside the domain.

Discussion Status

The conversation has led to clarifications about the correct interpretation of the domain and the level curves. Some participants have acknowledged misunderstandings about which areas to shade, while others have provided insights into the implications of the inequalities. There is ongoing exploration of how to accurately represent the domain in relation to the level curves.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of visual representation in relation to the mathematical definitions of the domain and level curves. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in communication about the regions that are included or excluded based on the function's constraints.

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Homework Statement


Find the domain of the function f(x,y) = 1/sqrt(x^2-y). Sketch the level curves f=1, f=1/2, f=1/3.

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Domain is rather simple to find: x^2>y AND x^2-y cannot equal 0.

Level curves are also simple to find. They are simply parabolas that are shifted down according to what f =1. For f=1 shift the parabola down 1. For f=1/2 shift the parabola down 4. For f=3 shift the parabola down 9.

My simple question is this: Upon looking at my level curve graph, I notice that anything inside the y=x^2-1 parabola is NOT consistent with the domain.
I would then 'mark' this section off in my level curve? (say, darken it out and clarify that it is NOT in the domain).
or
Would I leave it as is as it isn't needed in the level curve?

I can't seem to find a clear quick answer on google. Seems logical that I would clarify that it is not part of the graph.
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Find the domain of the function f(x,y) = 1/sqrt(x^2-y). Sketch the level curves f=1, f=1/2, f=1/3.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Domain is rather simple to find: x^2>y AND x^2-y cannot equal 0.
More simply, this is y < x2, all the points in the plane that are below the graph of y = x2.
RJLiberator said:
Level curves are also simple to find. They are simply parabolas that are shifted down according to what f =1. For f=1 shift the parabola down 1. For f=1/2 shift the parabola down 4. For f=3 shift the parabola down 9.

My simple question is this: Upon looking at my level curve graph, I notice that anything inside the y=x^2-1 parabola is NOT consistent with the domain.
How are you getting this? The point (0, -1/2) is "inside" the parabola y = x2 + 1, and f(0, -1/2) = ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{0 - (-1/2)}}## is defined.
RJLiberator said:
I would then 'mark' this section off in my level curve? (say, darken it out and clarify that it is NOT in the domain).
or
Would I leave it as is as it isn't needed in the level curve?

I can't seem to find a clear quick answer on google. Seems logical that I would clarify that it is not part of the graph.
 
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anything inside the y=x^2-1 parabola
No need to go inside. Your level curve is that parabola itself, and it is completely inside the domain (i.e. below y = x2)
 
RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Find the domain of the function f(x,y) = 1/sqrt(x^2-y). Sketch the level curves f=1, f=1/2, f=1/3.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Domain is rather simple to find: x^2>y AND x^2-y cannot equal 0.

Level curves are also simple to find. They are simply parabolas that are shifted down according to what f =1. For f=1 shift the parabola down 1. For f=1/2 shift the parabola down 4. For f=3 shift the parabola down 9.
It would be much clearer if you wrote how you got those (correct) statements. When you set ##f(x,y)=c## you have ##\frac 1 {\sqrt{x^2-y}} = c##. This immediately tells you that ##c>0##, there are no level curves for ##c\le 0##, and the simplified equations of the level curves are ##y=x^2-\frac 1 {c^2}##.
 
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Okay, guys:
Thank you for the tips. I see that I was wrong to think that anything above y=x^2-1 is out of the domain.

However, this conversation leads me to believe that y=x^2 is the part that needs to be shaded out, correct?
 
RJLiberator said:
Okay, guys:
Thank you for the tips. I see that I was wrong to think that anything above y=x^2-1 is out of the domain.

However, this conversation leads me to believe that y=x^2 is the part that needs to be shaded out, correct?
And all of the points inside this parabola. Maybe that's what you meant, but it isn't what you said.
 
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I thought it was y=x^2-1. I see my error thanks to your observations. I see that it is y=x^2 as the shaded part. :)
 
He ho, you do it again: y=x2 is a line, you can't shade that !
 
What do you mean? y=x^2 is a parabola and the shaded part is the region above y=x^2.
 
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Yes, so the wording "I see that it is y=x^2 as the shaded part" keeps triggering folks like Mark and me to point out that that can't be done.

And you want to shade ##y\ge x^2## although it's difficult to distinguish from ## y > x^2 ## :)

(Not all lines are straight lines...)
 
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Ahhhhhh
The inequality is the one that we are looking for. I understand. Thank you for pointing out the error in my wording.
 

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