What is causing the unexpected behavior in my Darlington pair circuit?

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The discussion revolves around unexpected behavior observed in a Darlington pair circuit built with 2N2222 NPN transistors. Participants explore the causes of the circuit's response to touch, particularly how touching the base lead affects current flow and LED illumination.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that touching the base lead may introduce enough current due to the high current gain (β) of the Darlington pair, potentially caused by static charge from the body.
  • Another participant proposes that noise from the environment, particularly 60 Hz voltage, could be coupling into the circuit through the body, causing rapid on/off behavior of the LED.
  • A different participant questions whether the behavior is related to the DC transformer being plugged into the wall, implying that external electromagnetic fields may influence the circuit.
  • One participant observes that isolating the circuit and using charged capacitors prevents the LED from lighting by touching only the base, but it does light when touching both the base and the positive capacitor lead, indicating a dependency on the circuit's configuration.

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Participants express various hypotheses regarding the cause of the observed behavior, with no consensus reached on a single explanation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the influence of environmental noise, static charge, and circuit configuration.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the circuit's behavior depend on the specific conditions of the environment, such as electromagnetic interference and the presence of static charge. The discussion does not resolve the underlying mechanisms causing the observed effects.

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I've built a Darlington pair from 2N2222 NPN transistors on my breadboard, and I find that just my touching of the base lead in the circuit cascades both transistors and let's current flow in the circuit. What's causing this? See the video below for details.

 
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jono20 said:
I've built a Darlington pair from 2N2222 NPN transistors on my breadboard, and I find that just my touching of the base lead in the circuit cascades both transistors and let's current flow in the circuit. What's causing this? See the video below for details.



Your video don't work. But my guess is since you put them in darlington, β of 2n2222 is about 100, two of them darlington give 100000. So if your body is charged up to so voltage and touch the base, you provide enough current to make the pair conduct enough to light up the LED. Just a guess.

Think of if you put a cap from the base to ground, just a small 0.1uF. If you apply a small voltage enough to light up the LED, then you remove the voltage. The voltage from the cap will hold the LED on for a while also. Just static charge.
 
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Your body picks up noise which is mainly 60 Hz voltage and your hand applies this voltage to the base of the transistor.

This turns the LED on and off rapidly and you see light from when it is on.

It is similar to the effect you get if you touch the microphone input of an amplifier. In that case, you get a loud burst of a buzzing noise.

This comes from living in a city where mains noise is everywhere.
 
Is it a result of the DC transformer being plugged into the wall then?
 
It could be. Any alternating magnetic field, and the nearer it is, the worse, usually.
 
That seems to be the case. If I completely isolate the circuit and use charged capacitors as the power source, I can no longer light the bulb by touching only the base, I can by touching the base and positive capacitor lead, though.
 

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