What is Electricity? Explaining Induction Transfer

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electricity, specifically focusing on the mechanisms of electron transfer and induction. Participants explore the differences between traditional explanations of electricity and the phenomenon of electric induction, questioning how electrons can be transferred without clear positive and negative terminals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the traditional view of electricity as merely the movement of electrons in a coil and seeks clarification on induction and electron transfer through air.
  • Another participant explains that in electrostatics, the electric field is conservative and described by potential, but induction alters this by introducing a magnetic field, leading to non-conservative electric fields.
  • A participant describes the process of pushing a metal loop into a magnetic field, invoking the Lorentz force to explain how electrons move and create current.
  • Another participant clarifies that electrons are not transferred through air but rather interact with magnetic fields while flowing through wires, leading to induction effects and predictable polarity.
  • This participant also mentions practical applications, such as the operation of loudspeakers and electric motors, as examples of induction in action.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of electricity and induction, with no consensus reached on the explanations provided. Some participants challenge traditional notions while others provide alternative perspectives on the mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as the Lorentz force, conservative electric fields, and the Hall Effect, indicating that further exploration of these topics may be necessary for a complete understanding. There are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of electron transfer in the context of induction.

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what is electricity?

For a long time i thought that electricity was just electron moving in a coil from negative to positive terminals. and that's what my teachers have taught me too...
But i recently stumbled upon something called electricity through induction which has led me to doubt the above explanation.
someone please clear my doubts and please explain how electrons are transferred through air(electric induction) where positive and negative terminals cannot really be specified.
 
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In electrostatics, when there is no magnetic field (and therefore no induction), the electric field is conservative, and thus can be described by a potential. the current flows from high potential( positive terminal) to low potential (negative terminal), the electrons themselves flowing in the other direction ( negative charge). In induction, due the magnetic field, the electric field is no longer conservative, there is no potential for it. Therefore, for example, the current can flow repeatedly in closed wire due to induction.
 


Lets say I push a metal square loop into a B field, The electrons will feel a Lorentz force
F=q(vxB) and start to move. now when each electron moves it will push the one in front of it and we will have a current.
 


""please explain how electrons are transferred through air(electric induction) ""

they aren't transferred through air.
But while flowing along a wire they will interact with a magnet, just hook a D cell battery to a loudspeaker and watch the cone move.

When electrons move through a magnetic field they get pushed sideways.
When sideways happens to be along a wire, that's induction.
And polarity is predictable.
When sideways is perpendicular to the wire it tries to push the electrons out through the insulation so the wire feels that sideways force - that's an electric motor (of which a loudspeaker is one variety and your automobile starter is another)

Read up on "Faraday" and "Hall Effect" for starters. Use Google or Altavista search engines, there's tons of stuff on 'net at any level you want.

Have Fun ! old jim
 

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