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The discussion centers on the perceived hypocrisy of individuals, particularly celebrities, who claim they will leave the U.S. over political issues but ultimately remain. Participants express frustration with these statements, questioning their sincerity and commitment to their beliefs. There is a debate about the nature of protest, with some arguing that leaving is a legitimate form of peaceful protest, while others view it as a sign of weakness or dishonesty. The conversation touches on the importance of civic engagement, with some participants advocating for active involvement in political processes rather than threats to leave. The role of Hollywood as a significant part of U.S. culture and economy is acknowledged, alongside concerns about the erosion of rights and freedoms in the country. The discussion also highlights a broader critique of American political apathy and the challenges of meaningful protest in the current political climate.
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Evo said:
Funny, being a dual national, I could easily move to France, most of my family lives there anyway.
Moving to France to avoid a president is not a good idea anymore :-p :smile:
 
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jaap de vries said:
You stated that the US is founded on fighting for your rights. You are correct in the sense that that is literally how the US was founded. The whole right to bare arms is based on being able to defend yourself against a government that has gone astray.

Now, my point is that the only time in US history people felt forced to "fight" for their right against a government that has gone in their eyes astray is during the civil war.

Wait, in the first paragraph, you're talking about "fighting for your rights," but in the second this is equated to "fighting *against your own government* for your rights." And, even then, you seem to take "fight" to mean "declare war." To be honest, I think you need to either include the provisos from the beginning, or aknowledge that there are countless other examples of Americans fighting for their rights. The sufferage movement was one you skipped, as well as the movement against Prohibition. There are innumerable smaller examples beyond that, from the fights against the draft, to the opposition to McCarthyism, to the consumer rights movement.

jaap de vries said:
I think US citizens have been very non-critical with regards to their government. In 9 out of 10 western countries the Iraq lies would have led to a crisis most likely followed with the forced resignation of the government or re-elections, here it seemed of very little consequence.

Funny, I seem to remember substantially more than 10% of Western countries participating in the invasion/occuption. Also, you may recall the Republicans getting hammered in the 2006 elections, and widespread expectations that this trend will continue this year.
 

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