I'd like to know why people here are voting for George W Bush this election. Try to list three reasons for it. I'm not going to criticise or start some flaming debate over the reasons. I just want to know your reasons.
though i am no american and i disagree with the way the US handled Iraq, i think these statements are very simplistic and childish. As a matter of fact I find most of the European criticism on the US-foreign policy to be dishonest and just dumb...Zantra said:My guess is 2 categories
1. straight ticket repulicans- they'd vote in Saddam Hussein if he went republican.
2. Think the war in Iraq was justified and think we have a right to start wars and do what we want, because "dammit, we're America"
devil's advocate:chroot said:Hmm, Russ. This president has been one of the worst economically in many, many years. His administration was the first to see a loss of jobs since the great depression.
He has turned an enormous surplus into an even more enormous deficit, one of the largest changes in history. He's done none of the "typical Republican things" like encouraging economic growth.
Though I don't share your bleak view of the economy, I'll certainly grant you that he's a mediocre Republican President, at best. But I still prefer that to even a good Democratic one (and I don't think Kerry would be a good Democratic one).chroot said:It sounds to me like he's going to get your vote because you hope he will do "typical Republican things," and I can respect that position. On the other hand, he seems to be pretty lousy at doing those very things.
One reason why I don't feel compelled to listen to Kerry supporters on reasons to vote for or against anyone, they seem to fail the basic test of respect for others ideas and beliefs.I'm not going to criticise or start some flaming debate over the reasons.
Amen.Tsunami said:1. He is a 'born again' - an extreme fundamentalist Christian - and he speaks to their 'divine' sensibilities. They truly believe he is what he says - a 'Messenger of God'. That's good enough for them!
Count me in.kat said:Zantra, Chroot, Tsunami...others yet to come
Now, that's funny!kat said:One reason why I don't feel compelled to listen to Kerry supporters on reasons to vote for or against anyone, they seem to fail the basic test of respect for others ideas and beliefs.
they are simplistic and childish reasons for simplistic and childish replublicans using flimsy excuses to back a simple president. As simplistic as the excuses for iraq. I think the reasons to not vote for Bush are obvious and don't need restating. I'd love to hear some Valid reasons- russ I see has stated something of an articulated response.. do you have anything to add Marlon?marlon said:though i am no american and i disagree with the way the US handled Iraq, i think these statements are very simplistic and childish. As a matter of fact I find most of the European criticism on the US-foreign policy to be dishonest and just dumb...
That's just it. I'm a fairly strong Christian myself, but he scares the hell out of me!! I guess it's just that extreme fundmentalism of ANYTHING scares the hell out of me. But the way some of these people almost view him as the 'second coming of Christ'... Well... I'm pretty uncomfortable with that.graphic7 said:Amen.
That's exactly what I've been saying to my peers (the ones that do plan on voting for Bush). I find it absolutely ridiculous that any reasonably intelligent and logical person could vote for Bush, given that he appeals to the religious nature of people. Assuming, you're not religious why in the hell would you vote for Bush? In fact, the reason alone that you're not religious is a reason itself not to vote for Bush.
If I were to vote, Bush's "fundamentalist", "divine", or "whatever you want to call them" religious views, would be *the* reason why I wouldn't vote for him. There's more than just Christians in the nation. Sheesh ...
The thing is, we don't appear to have any of those "you"s in this forum. I wonder just how many of them exist...Tsunami said:kat -
Sorry to burst your bubble of indignation, but these ARE reasons of 'why you are voting for Bush' (as the thread title indicates) that were not previously mentioned...
Yeah, like all those kind-hearted, tolerant republicans who tore up democratic voter registrations in Nevada and Oregon? I find it outright sad that you, the self-proclaimed enemy of the broad generalization, are perfectly happy labelling all Kerry supporters as *******s.kat said:One reason why I don't feel compelled to listen to Kerry supporters on reasons to vote for or against anyone, they seem to fail the basic test of respect for others ideas and beliefs.
You make me very glad I didn't decide to vote like you.Tsunami said:A couple more reasons people will vote for Bush:
1. He is a 'born again' - an extreme fundamentalist Christian - and he speaks to their 'divine' sensibilities. They truly believe he is what he says - a 'Messenger of God'. That's good enough for them!
2. He really appeals to the shallow thinkers of America - the types that just want to go out and 'kick some butt'. They just LOVE what Bush has done in the Middle East.
Absolutey. What's your point?chroot said:phatmonkey,
Wouldn't you agree it's pretty stupid for anyone (including you) to vote against a candidate simply because they don't like the people who vocally support that candidate?
From this we can conclude that there are a lot of sheep out there.. bahhhhh bahhBobG said:Here's an interesting link that might explain why a large number of folks support Bush. It's a poll comparing the perceptions voters have of Iraq, the war on terror, the world's opinion of Iraq, etc. grouped by Bush supporters and Kerry supporters.
72% of Bush supporters believe Iraq had WMD or a WMD program prior to the US invasion. 26% of Kerry supporters think this.
57% of Bush supporters think the Duelfer report concluded Iraq had WMD or a WMD program. 23% of Kerry supporters think this.
75% of Bush supporters believe Iraq supported Al-Qaeda, with 20% believing Iraq was directly involved in 9/11. 30% of Kerry supporters believe Iraq supported Al-Qaeda and 8% think Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.
57% of Bush supporters think the 9/11 Commission said Iraq supported Al-Qaeda. 27% of Kerry supporters believe this.
58% of Bush supporters believe the US should not have gone to war if Iraq didn't have WMD or didn't support Al-Qaeda, while 61% believe Bush would not have gone to war without evidence of the above. 92% of Kerry supporters believe the US should not have gone to war without evidence of WMD or support for terrorism, but 83% believe Bush would have gone to war, evidence or no evidence.
31% of Bush supporters believe the world at large oppose the US invasion of Iraq. 44% believe the Arab community oppose the US 'war on terrorism'. 74% of Kerry supporters believe the world opposes the US invasion and 75% believe the Arab world opposes the US war on terrorism.
69% believe Bush supports the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, 72% believe he supports the treaty banning land mines, 53% believe he supports an International Criminal Court, and 51% believe he supports the Kyoto treaty.
Of the issues polled, the majority of Bush supporters correctly identified his position on only two foreign policy issues: Defense spending (57%) and who should take the lead in Iraqi reconstruction (70%).
Only 43% of Kerry supporters correctly identified Kerry's position on defense spending, but at least 65% of Kerry supporters correctly identified Kerry's position on all the other foreign policy issues polled.
Summary: You can probably count on about 25% of people to be pretty ignorant of the world's events. Bush supporters exceed this. Over half of Bush supporters are ignorant about what goes on in the world at large. In fact, over half of them don't even understand what Bush stands for (of course, to be fair, Bush has not spent that much time in explaining his own positions - it's been more beneficial to call Kerry names).
Edit: Actually, averaging the poll results, I guess you could conclude about 40% of the US population is pretty clueless about world affairs, but that's just to depressing to even believe.
Like the bandwagon that attacked this thread? Unable to go to the 'why are voting for Kerry' thread??Zantra said:From this we can conclude that there are a lot of sheep out there.. bahhhhh bahh