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Why are you voting for George W Bush?

  1. Oct 22, 2004 #1
    I'd like to know why people here are voting for George W Bush this election. Try to list three reasons for it. I'm not going to criticise or start some flaming debate over the reasons. I just want to know your reasons.
     
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  3. Oct 22, 2004 #2
    My guess is 2 categories

    1. straight ticket repulicans- they'd vote in Saddam Hussein if he went republican.

    2. Think the war in Iraq was justified and think we have a right to start wars and do what we want, because "dammit, we're America"
     
  4. Oct 22, 2004 #3
    though i am no american and i disagree with the way the US handled Iraq, i think these statements are very simplistic and childish. As a matter of fact I find most of the European criticism on the US-foreign policy to be dishonest and just dumb...

    marlon
     
  5. Oct 22, 2004 #4
    I think that Saddam had to be blown off in 1991, thats an enormous error I think. I am with Bush idea to blow of the map those islamic terrorists, appart of it, I don't know how good president he is.
     
  6. Oct 22, 2004 #5

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    I honestly wasn't sure until recently that I'd vote for him. He is, afterall, a jackass. But the bottom line is that its better to have a passive (domestic) jackass, not getting in the way of the economy and a gun-toting-Texan on foreign policy than someone who will actively harm the economy and pretend that isolationism works. Anyway, in short:

    1. Interventionalist (my word - do you like it?) foreign policy.
    2. He won't impliment national healthcare.
    3. He won't do the typical Democratic things that stifle economic growth (raise taxes, raise the minimum wage, increase government spending(war on terror notwithstanding)).
    4. He won't make good-sounding but short-sighted environmental policy (I won't get my hopes up about building new nuclear plants though).
     
  7. Oct 22, 2004 #6

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    Hmm, Russ. This president has been one of the worst economically in many, many years. His administration was the first to see a loss of jobs since the great depression. He has turned an enormous surplus into an even more enormous deficit, one of the largest changes in history. He's done none of the "typical Republican things" like encouraging economic growth.

    It sounds to me like he's going to get your vote because you hope he will do "typical Republican things," and I can respect that position. On the other hand, he seems to be pretty lousy at doing those very things.

    - Warren
     
  8. Oct 22, 2004 #7
    devil's advocate:
    That is only accurate if you can 1> see the future 2> Bush loses the election. His administration isn't over, and it is possible he has 4 years to rectify that (and the current trends say that would easily be the case).

    Enormous surplus? I'll just chalk that up to subjectivity. I disagree.
    However, I am personally unhappy with the lack of fiscal conservativeness in many areas across the board. The current economy has been encouraged to grow, and is doing so.
     
  9. Oct 22, 2004 #8

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    Though I don't share your bleak view of the economy, I'll certainly grant you that he's a mediocre Republican President, at best. But I still prefer that to even a good Democratic one (and I don't think Kerry would be a good Democratic one).

    edit: then again, if a "good" Democratic President is one who succeeds in getting liberal ideas promulgated, then maybe I prefer a mediocre one...
     
  10. Oct 22, 2004 #9

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    A couple more reasons people will vote for Bush:

    1. He is a 'born again' - an extreme fundamentalist Christian - and he speaks to their 'divine' sensibilities. They truly believe he is what he says - a 'Messenger of God'. That's good enough for them!

    2. He really appeals to the shallow thinkers of America - the types that just want to go out and 'kick some butt'. They just LOVE what Bush has done in the Middle East.
     
  11. Oct 22, 2004 #10

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    Zantra, Chroot, Tsunami...others yet to come,
    It's nice to know those who are not voting for Bush have the capability to respect the wishes of the author of the thread....

    One reason why I don't feel compelled to listen to Kerry supporters on reasons to vote for or against anyone, they seem to fail the basic test of respect for others ideas and beliefs.
     
  12. Oct 22, 2004 #11

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    Amen. :smile:

    That's exactly what I've been saying to my peers (the ones that do plan on voting for Bush). I find it absolutely ridiculous that any reasonably intelligent and logical person could vote for Bush, given that he appeals to the religious nature of people. Assuming, you're not religious why in the hell would you vote for Bush? In fact, the reason alone that you're not religious is a reason itself not to vote for Bush.

    If I were to vote, Bush's "fundamentalist", "divine", or "whatever you want to call them" religious views, would be *the* reason why I wouldn't vote for him. There's more than just Christians in the nation. Sheesh ...

    Count me in.

    Now, that's funny!

    The supreme reason why I don't like most Republicans, especially the ones that support Bush, is they violate everyone else's beliefs. Not to get off topic, but Bush supporters aren't exactly the most passive and open-minded when it comes to observing other's beliefs.

    I thought the idea (or one of the primary ones) of being liberal (a major republican defense), is to repect other's beliefs and not violate them - whether that be Iraq or the Middle East in whole.

    kat, very smooth. :bugeye:
     
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  13. Oct 22, 2004 #12
    they are simplistic and childish reasons for simplistic and childish replublicans using flimsy excuses to back a simple president. As simplistic as the excuses for iraq. I think the reasons to not vote for Bush are obvious and don't need restating. I'd love to hear some Valid reasons- russ I see has stated something of an articulated response.. do you have anything to add Marlon?

    I'd also add that I'm not really a democrat, and nor am I a mindless sheep and fool. So I'll vote my conscience for the greater good of the country.

    And I do respect the opinions of others. But a lot of the Bush supports have weak arguments because frankly, the Bush side is a weak stance to support. I see that he just signed off on more corporate tax cuts. Last minute bid for support.

    "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"

    I don't know what positive impact Bush has had on this country, but I know what I can do election day to help my country, and I'll do it.
     
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  14. Oct 22, 2004 #13

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    kat -

    Sorry to burst your bubble of indignation, but these ARE reasons of 'why you are voting for Bush' (as the thread title indicates) that were not previously mentioned. I have personally heard these reasons from some people. I am not being critical or starting some flaming debate. They are reasons. Period.

    Deal with it.
     
  15. Oct 22, 2004 #14

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    That's just it. I'm a fairly strong Christian myself, but he scares the hell out of me!! I guess it's just that extreme fundmentalism of ANYTHING scares the hell out of me. But the way some of these people almost view him as the 'second coming of Christ'... :rolleyes: Well... I'm pretty uncomfortable with that. :biggrin:
     
  16. Oct 22, 2004 #15

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    The thing is, we don't appear to have any of those "you"s in this forum. I wonder just how many of them exist...

    Further, since I'm not voting for Kerry, I don't think I can speak to why a typical Kerry supporter would vote for him - which is why I didn't post in the thread on that subject. I agree with Kat - its presumptuous.
     
  17. Oct 22, 2004 #16

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    russ & kat -

    I icorrectly assumed that the 'you' was generic. You are quite right. Even though they ARE valid reasons of why someone (and unhappily for me, but good news for you - there seem to be quite a LOT of those types in the rural Oregon area where I reside :cry: ) might vote for Bush, they are not MY reasons, as I am not voting for the man! So I guess I'll just get my little self over the the Kerry thread! :biggrin: Sorry for intruding.

    I stand corrected and apologize, humbly begging your forgivenesses. :biggrin:

    :smile: see? Democrats aren't ALL bad...
     
  18. Oct 22, 2004 #17

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    Yeah, like all those kind-hearted, tolerant republicans who tore up democratic voter registrations in Nevada and Oregon? I find it outright sad that you, the self-proclaimed enemy of the broad generalization, are perfectly happy labelling all Kerry supporters as *******s.

    Right.

    - Warren
     
  19. Oct 22, 2004 #18
    Here are some reasons ---

    While the Democrats are quick to point to Bush as the source of the weak economy ("weak," until recently that is) the economy under Clinton was a result of the 'dot com' gang bang and the tremendous, irrationally exuberant bubble created during that period. The stock market and the economy were on the way down as Clinton moved out of the White House (stealing Ws and pardoning criminals as he went) and was in full fall before Bush even signed his first budget. IMO, any president after Clinton was going to have to take the hit for the bubble burst.* Then there was 9/11.

    *By the way --- I think that Presidents can do very little to turn an economy the size of the US's. Just that they can't say it for political reasons. The first candidate to say he doesn't have a major influence on the economy will be the first candidate whose opponent says "Fine, he can't do anything to help with employment BUT I can." IMO, the "economy" is the billions of individual transactions, everyday and all day long. All of those transactions and all of those decisions. No president is at liberty to change our reletivly 'free market' to any great extent. And that 'free market' is the primary force driving the economy.

    Since people produce – not the government ---- keeping taxes as low as reasonably possible helps stimulate the economy. Kerry wants to add an additional tax burden on top of the progressively high taxes already paid by that segment of society who are the most productive, per capita.

    Bush is actually going to do something to save social security. Privatizing a percentage of social security will help keep the system solvent. Kerry seems content to sit on his hands.

    If, god forbid, something were to happen here in the United States on a level of 9/11, or greater, I have no doubt that Bush will use the military might we have when and where it is needed in the on-going effort to fight international terrorism. I have my doubts concerning Kerry --- I wonder if he would strike when and where necessary -- especially after recently referring to international terrorism as a "nuisance."

    Tort reform is needed. Kerry and his trial lawyer running mate seem opposed to this. The costs added by medical malpractice insurance, defensive medical procedures, and the jacked-up prices that pharmaceutical must charge in order to sell meds in our litigious friendly environment make our health care system much more expensive than it has to be. Tort reform will take some of the financial presure off of, not just the middle class, but the government programs already in place to help the poor and the elderly.
     
  20. Oct 22, 2004 #19
    Reasons I have decided ( finally decided today) to vote for Bush are, but not limited to:
    1>Refusal to sign the present Kyoto protocol
    2>Has a legit, and plausible, plan for fixing the deficit
    3>Won't institute a single payer health care system
    4>Economic plan is better competition to China than Kerry's
    5>ALL of my friends on the ground in Iraq state that they are being given what is needed to do their jobs. This removed my fear that they are being controlled by politics instead of military need.
    6>He doesn't have John Edwards on his ticket
    7>Won't insitute a higher federal minimum wage
    8>Possible Free Trade Zone of the Americas


    Bush is mediocre, sure, but this election is pretty much the lesser of two evils.
     
  21. Oct 22, 2004 #20
    You make me very glad I didn't decide to vote like you.

    Perhaps by 2008 you'll have found a manner in which to attract voters to your side of the aisle.
     
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