What is tan θ in this diagram?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the value of tan θ from a geometric diagram involving two sides, x and y. Participants utilize the cosine rule to find cos θ, resulting in a complex expression. However, they establish that tan(45° - θ) can be expressed as x / (x + y), leading to the simplification of tan θ using the tangent subtraction formula. Ultimately, the cosine rule is deemed unnecessary for this problem, as the tangent can be derived directly from the established relationship.

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It's supposed to be a simple problem. But I can't for the life of me figure out how to go about it. I managed to find out cos θ using the cosine rule, but it is a very long expression and looks to be going in a direction opposite of the solution. cos θ is (2x^2 + 2xy + y^2 + x*sqrt(2) - y) / (2 * (2x^2 + 2xy + y^2) * (x*sqrt2)).

Any help on this would be appreciated.
 
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Can you express tan theta in terms of two other angles you know the tangents for?
 
Perhaps you can form a right-angled triangle involving theta and the two sides? Hint: try draw the full rectangle and see what that brings you. If you can't use angle theta directly then perhaps some other angle easily derived from it ...
 
PsychoMessiah said:
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It's supposed to be a simple problem. But I can't for the life of me figure out how to go about it. I managed to find out cos θ using the cosine rule, but it is a very long expression and looks to be going in a direction opposite of the solution. cos θ is (2x^2 + 2xy + y^2 + x*sqrt(2) - y) / (2 * (2x^2 + 2xy + y^2) * (x*sqrt2)).

Any help on this would be appreciated.
From intersection point of pieces "x" and "y" put a normal "n" to a hypotenuze of a big triangle. Then you have:
n : x√2 = sin θ , n : y = sin α
From this you have: sin θ = (y⋅sin α)/(x√2)
Knowing that sin2α = x2/(x2+(x+y)2) and that 1+ctg2θ = 1/sin2θ , you should obtain correct result (A).
 
This does seem a bit long winded. Can you expand tan(a-b) directly in terms of tan a and tan b?
 
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This does seem a bit long winded.

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1 min for drawing, 2 min for calculation, 3 min for Latex. This is how long it takes when derived from first principles.
 
By inspection of the diagram one can establish ##\tan(\pi/4-\theta) = x/(x+y)## from which it is easy to expand and solve for ##\tan(\theta)## (but here left as an exercise for the original poster).
 
Thanks for answering, everyone.

zoki85, that is very neatly done. Turns out we didn't need the cosine rule at all.

Filip Larsen, yes it is established that tan (45 - θ) = x / ( x + y ). But after expansion, we are left with (1 - tan θ) / (1 + tan θ ) using this formula...

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If you have an answer in mind, please share it.

Thanks.
 
PsychoMessiah said:
Thanks for answering, everyone.

zoki85, that is very neatly done. Turns out we didn't need the cosine rule at all.

Filip Larsen, yes it is established that tan (45 - θ) = x / ( x + y ). But after expansion, we are left with (1 - tan θ) / (1 + tan θ ) using this formula
We are not "left with" (1 - tan θ) / (1 + tan θ ) -- we are left with an equation whose right side is this. Write the whole equation and solve it for tan θ.
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If you have an answer in mind, please share it.

Thanks.
 
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Right. Get it now. Thanks.
 

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