What is the Angular Momentum of a Spinning Disk Subject to Applied Forces?

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The discussion revolves around a solid disc of mass 5.0 kg and radius 0.45 m that is spinning clockwise. Participants are analyzing the effects of three applied forces on the disc, specifically focusing on net torque, angular momentum, and angular speed over a specified time interval.

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the net torque acting on the disc and are questioning the signs of the torque components. There is exploration of how the applied forces affect the angular momentum of the disc, with some participants clarifying their understanding of the relationship between torque and angular momentum.

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Some participants have made progress in understanding parts of the problem, particularly regarding torque and angular momentum. There are ongoing clarifications about the calculations and the correct interpretation of the problem's requirements. Multiple interpretations of the torque calculation are being explored, and guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the quantities involved.

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Homework Statement



A solid disc of mass m = 5.0 kg and radius r = 0.45 m is spinning clockwise about the axis passing through the center of the disc. At t = 0, three forces are applied to the disc as shown.

Part 1. What is the magnitude of the net torque acting on the disc about its center?
Part 2. Immediately after the three forces are applied, is the magnitude of the angular momentum of the disc increasing, decreasing or staying the same?
Part 3. Assuming that the net torque stays constant, what is the change in the magnitude of the angular momentum of the disc between t = 0 and t = 1.2 s?
Part 4. What is the change in the magnitude of the angular speed between t = 0 and the moment described in Part 3?

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For part 1 (taking counterclockwise to be positive) I found the torque by calculating 14*r/2+9*r-sin(30)*r*8=7*r+9r-4r=12r=12*.45=5.4

For part 2, since the disk is rotating clockwise, adding counterclockwise torques will cause it to reduce its angular momentum.

For part 3, I multiplied the time interval by the change in torque: 5.4*1.2=6.48

What am I doing wrong?
 

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The Attempt at a Solution



For part 1 (taking counterclockwise to be positive) I found the torque by calculating 14*r/2+9*r-sin(30)*r*8=7*r+9r-4r=12r=12*.45=5.4


Check the signs of the 9r and 8rsin30 terms?
 
So is it 7r-9r+4r=2r? Why?
 
postfan said:
So is it 7r-9r+4r=2r? Why?

Yes. Look at the way the forces tend to turn the disc!
 
OK I figured out parts 1 and 2 from above and common sense, on part 3 I just took the integral over the time period of the torque, but I am not sure about part 4.

I used the equation 1.08L=MR^2/2*omega, m=5, r=.45 and I got omega=2.13, is that right?
 
postfan said:
OK I figured out parts 1 and 2 from above and common sense, on part 3 I just took the integral over the time period of the torque, but I am not sure about part 4.

I used the equation 1.08L=MR^2/2*omega, m=5, r=.45 and I got omega=2.13, is that right?

For part 1 they ask for magnitude so your answer must be +.
For part 2, the disc is spinning cw and your net trque is also in that direction. Again, it asks for magnitude of change.
3. part 3 your approach is right but you need to make the correction in 1. I frankly don't remember the formula for I for a disc. BTW it's not 'change in torque' but just 'torque'.
part 4: you know how much angular momentum has changed (= I*Δω), surely deriving Δω is a snap?
 
The part of part 4 that I don't understand is on the LHS of the equation do I use 1.08L or L+1.08?
 
postfan said:
The part of part 4 that I don't understand is on the LHS of the equation do I use 1.08L or L+1.08?

Where does 1.08 come from? What is L?

You have determined the change in angular momentum in part 3. Angular momentum change = I*Δω. Solve for Δω.
 
1.08 is the change of angular momentum, and L is the symbol of angular momentum.
 
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postfan said:
So is it 7r-9r+4r=2r? Why?
You said you were taking counterclockwise as positive. The above is taking clockwise as positive. In the OP it was the 14r/2 term that had the wrong sign. Anyway, you got 2r clockwise, which is correct.
on the LHS of the equation do I use 1.08L or L+1.08?
As rude man asks, what is L and where does 1.08 come from? I will add, what did you get for part 3? (It is not 1.08.)
 
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postfan said:
1.08 is the change of angular momentum, and L is the symbol of angular momentum.

OK, so what is L(t=0)? BTW you have I = mR^2/2 right, I looked it up.
Then ΔL = L(t=1.2) - L(t=0). And I*Δω = ΔL.

@haruspex, direction is irrelevant since they're asking for magnitudes thruout.
 

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