Two spinning disks, did I mess up?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two uniform disc-shaped gears with different radii and moments of inertia. The larger gear is initially spinning and then meshes with a smaller gear, prompting a need to analyze the resulting angular speed change of the larger disk.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the torque and angular momentum changes between the two disks, questioning their calculations regarding the final angular speed of the larger disk. Participants also discuss the implications of the moment of inertia being quadratic in radius and how this affects their reasoning.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering insights into the relationships between torque, angular momentum, and moment of inertia. There is recognition of potential misinterpretations in the original poster's approach, and a few participants are exploring the implications of the assumptions made regarding the disks' properties.

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There is a specific mention of the disks having equal area densities, which is crucial for the calculations but may lead to confusion regarding their moments of inertia and mass relationships.

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Hey guys, I need to check that I'm not doing something stupid. You have two uniform disc-shaped gears, one of which has twice the radius of the other [and 16 times the moment of inertia]. Initially, the larger gear is spinning at ##\omega##, and then they're suddenly meshed together. We need to show that the angular speed of the larger disk drops by 20%. [Edit. To clarify, the disks are given to have equal uniform area densities ##\sigma##].

Since the torque of the tangential force on the larger disk about its centre is twice in magnitude compared to the torque of the tangential force on the smaller disk about its centre, I reckoned that the change in angular momentum of the larger one would be twice that of the smaller one, i.e. that ##16(\omega - \omega_f) = 2\omega_f##. But that gives me that ##\omega_f = (8/9)\omega##, which clearly isn't a 20% decrease.

What did I miss?! It's almost completely improbable that the question contains a mistake, so the error must be on my end. Thanks!
 
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16 times the moment of inertia? Its quadratic in the radius.
 
hutchphd said:
16 times the moment of inertia? Its quadratic in the radius.

But the mass of the uniform disk is also quadratic in the radius, so the product ##I = (1/2)mr^2 = (1/2) \pi r^2 \sigma r^2 = (1/2) \pi \sigma r^4## is quartic in the radius. I should have specified that both are given to have equal area densities ##\sigma##, and not equal masses. This part is in agreement with the given solutions.
 
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I see it. The larger gear will get twice the torque impulse as you notice. But it will also be spinning twice as fast as the big gear ...so that should be ##2(2\omega_f)## on the RHS of the equation.
I believe I have violated the "homework rule".
 
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hutchphd said:
I see it. The larger gear will get twice the torque impulse as you notice. But it will also be spinning twice as fast as the big gear ...so that should be ##4\omega_f## on the RHS of the equation.
I believe I have violated the "homework rule".

That’s it, thanks :wink:
 
This was a really interesting problem.
 
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