What is the Anti-Derivative of a Radical Function?

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The problem involves finding the anti-derivative of the function defined by the integral from 0 to 7 of the square root of (49 - x²). Participants express uncertainty about how to approach the anti-derivative of a radical function and discuss various methods and interpretations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants suggest using trigonometric substitution and question its applicability given their current knowledge. Some express confusion about the function's behavior near the upper limit of integration, while others propose recognizing the integral as representing the area of a quarter-circle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods and interpretations of the integral. Some guidance has been offered regarding trigonometric substitution and the geometric interpretation of the integral, but there is no consensus on the best approach given the participants' varying levels of familiarity with the techniques discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that they have not yet learned substitution methods or the binomial theorem, which adds to their uncertainty about how to proceed with the problem.

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Homework Statement



integral from 0 to 7 (49-x^2)^(1/2)dx

I just need help getting started; not sure how to find the anti-derivative of a function that is under a radical

the way to do this is by using the FTC once I find the anti-D, right?




The Attempt at a Solution


I started messing around with it and the closest I could get was this:

(2/3)(49-x^2)^(3/2)

any help would be great
 
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Try a trig substition like say, x=7sin\theta
 
sin²+cos²=1 ==> 1-cos²=sin
 
how did you guys know to do that?
 
When you see something of the form a-bx², this cries for a x=cos or x=sin substitution. Even more so when a-bx² is under a radical!
 
Is there any other way to approach this problem? because we weren't taught that technique--we just learned the FTC last week
 
Well, the function is unbounded on (0,7) [look what happens near 7]... so it's not integrable automatically.
 
trig substitute? we haven't learned any substitution methods yet... just the ftc...
 
Maybe you're supposed to notice that this integral gives the area of a quarter-circle of radius 7.
 
  • #10
Avodyne said:
Maybe you're supposed to notice that this integral gives the area of a quarter-circle of radius 7.
O_O

wat
 
  • #11
quasar987 said:
Well, the function is unbounded on (0,7) [look what happens near 7]... so it's not integrable automatically.

Nevermind that, I thought the function was 1/(...)^1/2
 
  • #12
ggcheck said:
O_O

wat

Maybe Avodyne has it.

If you have a function y(x), what does the integral of y(x) from a to b represent? The area under the curve, I'm sure you know. Now what's the equation of a circle of radius 7? x²+y²=7². Isolate y and take the square root and keep the positive sign (this means, keep the part of the curve that is above the x axis), and you get (49-x²)^1/2. Therefor, the integral of (49-x²)^1/2 is the area of a quarter circle of radius 7.
 
  • #13
If you don't want to use trig subst. then one way is by expanding
(49-x^2)^(1/2) using the binomial theorem.

I don't know what you mean by FTC.

The physical interpretation of this problem is exactly as said above, it is the area of a quarter-circle of radius 7 i.e. in the first quadrant.
 
  • #14
unplebeian said:
If you don't want to use trig subst. then one way is by expanding
(49-x^2)^(1/2) using the binomial theorem.

I don't know what you mean by FTC.

The physical interpretation of this problem is exactly as said above, it is the area of a quarter-circle of radius 7 i.e. in the first quadrant.
binomial theorem?

ftc= fundamental theorem of calculus
 
  • #15
ggcheck said:
binomial theorem?

You don't want to know.
 
  • #16
since I haven't learned the trig sub. or the binomial theorem, either I recognize that is a half circle or I'm fu(ked?
 
  • #17
Pretty much!
 

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