What is the barrier that keeps in molecules?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms that keep gas molecules within the troposphere of Earth's atmosphere. Participants explore concepts related to gravity, molecular energy, density variations with altitude, and the temperature profile of the atmosphere.

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  • Some participants suggest that gravity is the primary force keeping gas molecules in the troposphere, while others note that molecular energy causes them to bounce around, preventing them from simply falling.
  • There is mention of a slow reduction in air density with increasing altitude, although some participants express confusion over the term "slow" and seek clarification.
  • Participants discuss the absence of a sudden boundary to the atmosphere, indicating that it continues to thin out until its density approaches that of space.
  • Questions arise regarding the temperature profile of the atmosphere, specifically why temperature decreases in the troposphere and then increases in the stratosphere, with one participant attributing this to the absorption of UV radiation.

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Participants generally agree on the role of gravity and molecular behavior in maintaining atmospheric structure, but there is confusion and lack of consensus regarding the specifics of density changes and temperature variations.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of terms like "density" and "slow reduction," and there are unresolved questions about the reasons for temperature changes in different atmospheric layers.

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There is the atmosphere that is composed of 4 parts: the troposphere, the stratosphere, the mesosphere, and the thermosphere.

I know that air is a gas made up of molecules. And a gas fills up the container it is contained in, which is the atmosphere. 1Most of the mass of molecules are in the troposphere, and there is ozone production in the stratosphere. Plus, there is oxygen and nitrogen in the thermosphere. But what keeps most of the molecules in the troposphere?

1There are other elements in there right?
 
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Leoragon said:
[/I]But what keeps most of the molecules in the troposphere?

Gravity! The gas is pulled towards the Earth but the molecules have energy and are bouncing around and off of each other and such, so they don't just fall into a big glop. This results in a slow reduction in the density of the air as you rise in altitude. And realize that the troposphere is defined as the part of the atmosphere where the temperature falls with altitude. At a certain point, known as the Tropopause, this trend suddenly stops, and then reverses in the Stratosphere where the temperature increases at altitude increases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troposphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropopause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere

1There are other elements in there right?

Sure, there are trace amounts of many different elements.
 
Drakkith said:
Gravity! The gas is pulled towards the Earth but the molecules have energy and are bouncing around and off of each other and such, so they don't just fall into a big glop. This results in a slow reduction in the density of the air as you rise in altitude. And realize that the troposphere is defined as the part of the atmosphere where the temperature falls with altitude. At a certain point, known as the Tropopause, this trend suddenly stops, and then reverses in the Stratosphere where the temperature increases at altitude increases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troposphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropopause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere



Sure, there are trace amounts of many different elements.

I don't get it. So gravity pulls in the molecules, but the molecules have energy that they bounce off of each other. I don't get what you mean by slow reduction.

Oh, and why doesn't the atmosphere just extend all the way if the molecules keep bouncing off of each other?
 
Leoragon said:
I don't get it. So gravity pulls in the molecules, but the molecules have energy that they bounce off of each other. I don't get what you mean by slow reduction.

Oh, and why doesn't the atmosphere just extend all the way if the molecules keep bouncing off of each other?

The density of the air, meaning the amount of air in a given volume, drops off slowly as you go up in altitude. Perhaps I shouldn't say "slowly", just realize that air gets thinner as you get higher in altitude because it is getting less dense.

Perhaps this can help.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070124183050AAT2p7K

I can't vouch for the validity of the answer, so I wouldn't base your Exam studying off of it.
 
Drakkith said:
The density of the air, meaning the amount of air in a given volume, drops off slowly as you go up in altitude. Perhaps I shouldn't say "slowly", just realize that air gets thinner as you get higher in altitude because it is getting less dense.

Perhaps this can help.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070124183050AAT2p7K

I can't vouch for the validity of the answer, so I wouldn't base your Exam studying off of it.

Okay, so because of the increased volume of space, the density is less. But what why is there the top of the atmosphere? Why doesn't it reach further into space?
 
Leoragon said:
Okay, so because of the increased volume of space, the density is less. But what why is there the top of the atmosphere? Why doesn't it reach further into space?

It does! There is no sudden boundary. The atmosphere simply keeps thinning out as altitude increases until the density is so low that its pretty much equal to the average density of space in the solar system.
 
Drakkith said:
It does! There is no sudden boundary. The atmosphere simply keeps thinning out as altitude increases until the density is so low that its pretty much equal to the average density of space in the solar system.

So, as you said, the atmosphere keeps lowering density until it becomes equal to the density of space. Now why does the temperature drop as you go up in the troposphere, then increase when you reach the stratosphere or somewhere up there?
 
Leoragon said:
So, as you said, the atmosphere keeps lowering density until it becomes equal to the density of space. Now why does the temperature drop as you go up in the troposphere, then increase when you reach the stratosphere or somewhere up there?

Because of the absorption of UV radiation I believe. See the stratosphere article I linked.
 

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