What is the Basis and Dimension of a Polynomial Space with a Specific Condition?

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis and determining the dimension of a polynomial space, specifically the space of all polynomials f(t) in P2 such that f(1) = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the general form of polynomials in P2 and the implications of the condition f(1) = 0. There are attempts to identify linearly independent combinations of basis elements that satisfy this condition. Questions arise regarding the validity of proposed basis elements and their independence.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various insights and questioning the independence of certain polynomial combinations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the condition a + b + c = 0 to compute the dimension of the subspace.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that the basis elements satisfy the condition f(1) = 0, and participants are considering the implications of linear combinations within the polynomial space.

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Got another linear space question. I'm getting closer to understanding what's going on, but I'm not there yet.

Homework Statement


Find a basis for the space and determine its dimension.

The space of all polynomials f(t) in P2 such that f(1) = 0.


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The dimension is trivial, it's just the number of elements in the basis. It's finding the basis that I am lost with. So far I understand that the general form of P2 is a+bx+cx^2, and that if f(1) = 0, then a+b+c = 0. From here I am not sure how to derive a basis. I expressed each coefficient as a combination of the other two, but I don't know what to do with that or if it even helps. I know that the basis of the space P2 is {1,t,t^2}, but I don't know what to do with that either.
 
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The basis elements must also satisfy f(1)=0. Find linearly independent combinations of {1,t,t2} that have that property.
 
Really? So the independent combinations would be 1-t and 1-t^2, right? Therefore, the basis would be {1-t,1-t^2}, which would have a dimension of 2.
 
Inirit said:
Really? So the independent combinations would be 1-t and 1-t^2, right? Therefore, the basis would be {1-t,1-t^2}, which would have a dimension of 2.

Are you convinced that the subspace has dimension 2? Could t2 - t be in the basis?
 
t^2 - t is a linear combination of 1 - t and 1 - t^2 because 1(1 - t) - 1(1 - t^2) = t^2 - t, therefore it's merely within the space and doesn't form part of the basis.

...Right?
 
hint: by unique factorization of your polynomial for its given zero points your space looks as follows:

\{a(t - 1)(t - b) : a, b \in \textbf{R} \mbox{ where } a \ne 0\} {\cup}<br /> \{a(t - 1): a \in \textbf{R} \mbox{ where } a \ne 0\} {\cup}<br /> \{1\}

[I assume your polynomials are real valued]
 
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Inirit said:
t^2 - t is a linear combination of 1 - t and 1 - t^2 because 1(1 - t) - 1(1 - t^2) = t^2 - t, therefore it's merely within the space and doesn't form part of the basis.

...Right?

That's right. You can also use the condition a+b+c = 0 that you found before to compute the dimension of the subspace.
 

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