What is the behavior of ideal voltage/current sources in small signal analysis?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of ideal voltage and current sources in the context of small signal analysis, specifically addressing their representation as short circuits and open circuits. Participants seek to understand the underlying principles and mathematical proofs related to these behaviors.

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  • One participant asks for an explanation and mathematical proof of why ideal voltage sources behave as short circuits and ideal current sources as open circuits in small signal analysis.
  • Another participant proposes that the behavior can be understood through the impedance formula Z = dv/di, suggesting that a good voltage source has zero impedance because its output voltage remains constant despite changes in output current.
  • This participant also notes that a good current source has infinite impedance since the output current remains constant over a wide range of output voltages.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous point, stating that a voltage source can provide an infinite amount of current and a current source can provide an infinite amount of voltage, reiterating the concept of impedance.
  • A later reply humorously acknowledges the notation for infinity in LaTeX, indicating a light-hearted moment in the discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the conceptual understanding of the behavior of ideal voltage and current sources in small signal analysis, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the mathematical proof or specific details.

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Some assumptions regarding the ideal behavior of voltage and current sources may not be explicitly stated, and the discussion lacks a formal mathematical derivation to support the claims made.

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Can someone please explain why ideal voltage/current sources are short circuit for voltage source and open circuit for open circuit in small signal analysis? Any mathematical proof to this?
 
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I would think of it in terms of [tex]Z = \frac{dv}{di}[/tex] (although there may be other ways).

For a good voltage source, the output voltage is very stiff (doesn't change much) as the output current changes, so

[tex]Z = \frac{dv}{di} = \frac{0}{di} = 0[/tex]

But for a good current source, you get very little change in the output current over a wide range of output voltages, so

[tex]Z = \frac{dv}{di} = \frac{dv}{0} = infinity[/tex]


EDIT -- okay, I give up. How do you make the little infinity symbol in LaTex? "\inf" didn't work.
 
Berkman is correct.

Voltage source can provide infinite amount of current. And a current source can provide an infinite amount of voltage.

Z = V/I

infty
[tex]\infty[/tex]
 
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what said:
infty
[tex]\infty[/tex]

Thanks what! :biggrin:
 

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