MOSFET Transistors as Switches

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of MOSFET transistors, specifically their operation as switches in different regions, namely the triode and saturation regions. Participants explore the relationship between gate-source voltage and drain current, referencing textbook images and equations to clarify their understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about whether the drain current in the triode region depends on the gate-source voltage, citing conflicting information from two textbook images.
  • Another participant asserts that in both the triode and saturation regions, the drain current increases with the gate-source voltage, questioning the basis of the confusion.
  • Some participants clarify that the MOSFET in the triode region can be modeled as a resistor, where the current is determined by the drain-source voltage, suggesting that the gate-source voltage influences the effective resistance.
  • It is noted that the resistance of the MOSFET decreases as the gate-source voltage increases, up to a limit imposed by other factors like wire resistance.
  • One participant proposes that the I-V characteristics near the origin can be viewed as a voltage-controlled resistor, indicating a dependency on the gate-source voltage.
  • A later reply suggests that both interpretations from the textbook images can be correct under different operating conditions of the MOSFET.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between gate-source voltage and drain current, with multiple competing views presented regarding the conditions under which each interpretation holds true.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific conditions for the operation of the MOSFET, such as the size of the conduction channel and the influence of the gate-source voltage, but these conditions are not fully resolved or agreed upon.

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I’ve attached two images from my textbook. One describing how MOSFEET’s act like small resistances when in the triode region and open circuits when in the cutoff region, the other a list of equations describing the behavior of an NMOS transistor. I’m having trouble making sense of these two pages.

In the triode region, does the drain current depend on the gate-source voltage? These to pages seem to suggest different answers to that question. In the first image, it looks like drain current will increase as the gate-source voltage increases. In the second image, it looks like drain current remains constant as the gate-source voltage increases. drain current seemingly only depends of the drain-source voltage in this case.

Any clarification would be helpful, thanks.
 

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In both the triode region and in the saturation region, the drain current will increase as the gate-source voltage increases. What in the second image made you think otherwise?
 
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phyzguy said:
In both the triode region and in the saturation region, the drain current will increase as the gate-source voltage increases. What in the second image made you think otherwise?
The MOSFET in the triode region is being modeled as a resistor. From ohm’s law, the current across that resistor in the second image should be equal to V/R, where V is the drain-source voltage. In the equation I = Vds/R, there is no gate-source voltage dependency.

And isn’t the second image suggesting that this resistor model holds whenever the gate voltage is sufficiently high?
 
Fascheue said:
The MOSFET in the triode region is being modeled as a resistor. From ohm’s law, the current across that resistor in the second image should be equal to V/R, where V is the drain-source voltage. In the equation I = Vds/R, there is no gate-source voltage dependency.

And isn’t the second image suggesting that this resistor model holds whenever the gate voltage is sufficiently high?
The value of that resistance will drop as the gate-source voltage is increased, at least until it becomes limited by the resistance of the wires, etc.
 
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If you look at the I-V characteristics down near rhe origin, it can basically be considered as a voltage controlled resistor, where the resistance is a function of the gate-source voltage.
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Fascheue said:
In the first image, it looks like drain current will increase as the gate-source voltage increases. In the second image, it looks like drain current remains constant as the gate-source voltage increases. drain current seemingly only depends of the drain-source voltage in this case.
Simple answer: They are both correct, but under different conditions.

The details:
In the first case, the device in operating in the linear, or triode, region. The Gate-Source voltage (VGS) is such that it is partially pinching off the Conduction Channel between Source and Drain. As the Conduction Channel varies in size with the VGS changes, the effective resistance changes... just as a smaller wire has a higher resistance than a large diameter wire. (With a little hand-waving), this is how you get amplification, by having a voltage on the gate controlling how much current flows between Source and Drain.

In the second case, the VGS is such that the conduction channel is at its maximum size, and the current is limited by the resistance of the bulk Source-Drain material and the applied Source-Drain voltage. Since this is a fixed resistance, the current is determined by the applied voltage.

Hopes this helps!

Cheers,
Tom
 
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