What is the best way to draw diagrams for virtual work on rigid bodies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of drawing diagrams for virtual work in the context of rigid body mechanics. Participants seek assistance in visualizing and constructing these diagrams to solve problems related to vertical reactions, bending moments, and shear forces.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in drawing diagrams for virtual work and requests help to visualize the problem.
  • Another participant suggests drawing a displacement diagram caused by a differential displacement at a specific point and applying the principle of virtual work, acknowledging the theoretical nature of the suggestion.
  • A participant describes modifications made to their bending moment diagram and presents calculations for the moment at point B, noting discrepancies between their virtual work and static analysis results.
  • Some participants challenge the accuracy of the diagrams and calculations, suggesting that the participant's diagram may be incorrect and recommending the use of Kennedy's theorem for drawing displacement diagrams.
  • There is a discussion about the understanding of displacement diagrams, with one participant confirming their knowledge about how these diagrams behave at different types of supports.
  • Another participant provides a link to a displacement diagram and emphasizes the need to incorporate forces and apply the principle of virtual work.
  • Participants discuss the significance of certain members in the diagram and their relevance to the calculations being performed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the accuracy of the diagrams or the calculations presented. Multiple competing views on the correct approach to drawing and interpreting the diagrams remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention that they have not yet learned certain theorems or concepts, which may limit their ability to apply the discussed methods effectively. There are also references to potential errors in static analysis that have not been resolved.

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Im having real trouble with drawing diagrams for virtual work. Can someone please, please help me!

We were asked, in the diagram i posted, to find 1)vertical reaction at F, 2) all reactions at A, 3) bending moment and shear force at B using virtual work.

i think i know how to do the actual working out but to do that i need the diagram, which i don't know how to draw. Any help/explanation would be very much appreciated! thanks in advance!

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the diagrams don't seem to be showing up...:frown: how long normally does it take to be approved?
 
To find the value of a statistical quantity Q at a point x0, draw the displacement diagram of the system "caused" by a differential displacement at the point x0 "in the direction" of the quantity Q, and apply the principle of virtual work. (Sounds nice in theory, I know, but this is still a hint. :smile:)
 
Dear Radou

Yes that is the general principal of virtual work as i understand it too but its very confusing to apply.

Ive realized, since posting the diagrams up, that i made a few mistakes in my attempted solution. Since it takes so long for attachments to be approved maybe i can just describe in words what i think and hopefully u'll be able to follow... :redface:

For the bending moment at B, I've used the convention in my worked solution. However I've modified the diagram like this: The force acting on the beam will turn the beam clockwise, so it will slope down from the top of B to D, passing through C. From D to E it will be a straight constant line. The extension from D to F will be like it was in the original diagram.

Thus sum bending moment at B=0
M(B) x d* + (-)V(B) x 1.5d* + 10kN x 3d* = 0
M(B) x d* + (-)(-20kNm) x 1.5d* + 10kN x 3d* = 0
M(B) + 30 +30 = 0
M(B) = -60kNm

NOTE: V(B) stands for the shear at B. i worked it out to be -20
d* is the angle between the virtual line and the real line

However using statics i found the moment at B to be -30 not -60. Did i draw my diagram wrong? Or is it my working out? thanks in advance!
 
hopelesskarma said:
However using statics i found the moment at B to be -30 not -60. Did i draw my diagram wrong? Or is it my working out? thanks in advance!

Your diagram is wrong. If you find it hard to picture the displacement of the system, you can always use Kennedy's theorem to draw the exact displacement diagram.
 
We havnt learned kennedy's theorem yet and googling it turned up nothing educational either...or at least nothing i could understand. Is there a simpler way about it?
 
hopelesskarma said:
We havnt learned kennedy's theorem yet and googling it turned up nothing educational either...or at least nothing i could understand. Is there a simpler way about it?

Well, what I'm talking about is no hard way. First of all, do you know how to draw displacement diagrams for mechanisms?
 
radou said:
Well, what I'm talking about is no hard way. First of all, do you know how to draw displacement diagrams for mechanisms?

Yes, i think so. I know that the displacement diagrams can bend at pins but must pass through the roller/rocker supports etc, and remains zero at fixed supports. And initially it goes in whichever direction the force is acting.

Thanks a lot for going through this stuff with me! i know that it can be hard to explain...really appreicate it.
 
hopelesskarma said:
Thanks a lot for going through this stuff with me! i know that it can be hard to explain...really appreicate it.

No need to thank, that's why we're here! :wink:

hopelesskarma said:
Yes, i think so. I know that the displacement diagrams can bend at pins but must pass through the roller/rocker supports etc, and remains zero at fixed supports. And initially it goes in whichever direction the force is acting.

Ok, http://usera.imagecave.com/polkijuhzu322/pf/displ.JPG" the displacement diagram of the system (for the bending moment at B). I named the disks "i" and "ii". Of course, you have to add the forces to the diagram and use the principle of virtual work now.

Edit: your statics seems to be wrong too, since the moment you should obtain does not equal 30.
 
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So in the diagram, where did DF go? Or it doesn't move?

Yes using the diagram the moment at B should equal 15...my statics was wrong but i know wat went wrong now :-)
 
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hopelesskarma said:
So in the diagram, where did DF go? Or it doesn't move?

Yes using the diagram the moment at B should equal 15...my statics was wrong but i know wat went wrong now :-)

The member DF isn't important, since there is no force to do any work on that member. (Formally, DF can't be seen in the diagram; it coincides with the projection of disc ii.)
 

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