What Is the Capacitance of Three Concentric Spherical Shells?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of capacitance in a system of three concentric spherical shells with specified charges and potentials. Participants are exploring how to define and calculate capacitance in this multi-shell configuration.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of capacitance and how it applies to three shells, referencing the formula C=Q/V. There is an exploration of the implications of having two shells at zero potential and the calculation methods for capacitance between different pairs of shells.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted to derive capacitance values based on Gauss's law and the relationship between charge and potential. There is an acknowledgment of uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the charges and potentials involved, particularly in the context of three shells.

Contextual Notes

Participants are questioning the implications of having the inner and outer shells at the same potential and how this affects the overall capacitance of the configuration. There is also a mention of the need for clarification on the definition of capacitance in this specific scenario.

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Homework Statement


Hi, I would really appreciate clarification on the definition of capacitance in this context: Suppose I have 3 concentric metal spherical shells and they have charges Q1,Q2,Q3 and potentials 0,V,0 and radii a,b,c respectively, what is the capacitance of the configuration?


Homework Equations


C=Q/V


The Attempt at a Solution


I know what the capacitance is with only 2 spheres but I am not sure what it means with 3.
 
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I am inclined to answer although I am not 100% this solution is correct so please tell me if this is wrong.

As I'm sure your aware we calculate the capacitance for two concentric circles by
C=Q/V \; ,
where from Gauss's law we draw a sphere around the smallest shell.
V=\int_{a}^{b}E dr = \frac{Q_{enc}}{4 \pi \epsilon} \int_{a}^{b} r^{-2} dr =\frac{Q_{enc}}{4 \pi \epsilon} \left(\frac{1}{a}-\frac{1}{b} \right)
Since we are explicitly given the charges on each sphere, I believe the enclosed charge should be that of the innermost sphere. Now here is where I am stuck, the charge described in the capacitance equation refers normally to have a charge q and -q on each side, I am therefore going to assume that Q=abs(Q1-Q2)/2. This is probably wrong but I can't see any other way.
C_{a \rightarrow b}=\frac{2 \pi \epsilon |Q_{1}-Q_{2}|}{Q_{1}\left(\frac{1}{a}-\frac{1}{b} \right)}

This result holds in the three sphere setup since we only considered the enclosed charge (from Gauss). Therefore this could be easily extended for the third shell giving a second capacitance seen between b and c.

Hope that helps, and isn't completely wrong!
 
MarkovMarakov said:

Homework Statement


Hi, I would really appreciate clarification on the definition of capacitance in this context: Suppose I have 3 concentric metal spherical shells and they have charges Q1,Q2,Q3 and potentials 0,V,0 and radii a,b,c respectively, what is the capacitance of the configuration?


Homework Equations


C=Q/V


The Attempt at a Solution


I know what the capacitance is with only 2 spheres but I am not sure what it means with 3.

What is the implication if the inner and outer shells have the same ("zero") potential?
 

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