What is the coefficient of Friction?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a 20kg object on a horizontal surface, requiring a force of 3N to maintain constant speed. The objective is to determine the coefficient of friction between the surfaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the applied force, frictional force, and normal force. There are attempts to clarify the setup using free body diagrams and to confirm the mass of the object. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the equations and the meaning of the coefficient of friction.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the mass of the object and the implications for the coefficient of friction. Some guidance has been provided on the relationships between forces, but no consensus has been reached on the correct mass or the resulting coefficient.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential errors in the text regarding the mass of the object, which may affect the calculations. Participants are also discussing the definitions of terms like Fnet and the coefficient of friction.

1irishman
Messages
243
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


It says: A 20kg object is placed on a horizontal surface. A force of 3N is required to keep the object moving at a constant speed. What is the coefficient of friction between the two surfaces?
I figured that we know that Ff=uFn and Fn=Fg=mg therefore Fn=20*9.8=196N That's as far as i can go...i am not sure what to do with the 3N force. The answer in the books says that u is .15


Homework Equations


Fn=Fg=mg
Ff=u*Fn


The Attempt at a Solution


Fn=20*9.8
=196N
I'm lost from here...not sure what to do to solve for coefficient of friction given horizontal 3N force etc. Help please?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Did you draw a FBD?
 
Yes I drew a free body diagram, but it does not seem to be helping me.
 
Are you sure it's 20kg and not 2.0kg?

Because:
Fpush - fk = 0
3 = mu_k*mg
3 = mu_k*(2.0)(9.8)
mu_k = .15, which is your answer.

Now, using 20:
Fpush - fk = 0
3 = mu_k*mg
3 = mu_k*(20)(9.8)
mu_k = .015

Also, 20kg(44.1 pounds) would need a bit more than 3 Newtons of force to push it constantly, or at least I would think.
 
Last edited:
Yes, it is 20kg in the text, but this text has numerous typing errors so it looks like your mass is correct at 2.0kg based on the answer of .15 for the u value being the correct answer listed in the text. Thanks for your help. Just a few more questions if I may?
Is the Fpush - fk = ma on the left hand side of the equation the Fnet value? What does mu_k represent? Thank you.
 
Yes, Fpush - fk is Fnet, and since the box is moving at a constant speed, ma = 0. So, Fpush - fk = 0, you know the rest.

mu_k is the co-efficient of friction, μk. μ is mu.
 
and fk=uFpush right?
 
1irishman said:
and fk=uFpush right?

No, because fk = μkn.
Where n is the normal force.
Using the two vertical forces from your FBD:
(Fnet)y = n - Fg = 0(since your object is not moving up or down.)
(Fnet)y = n = Fg => n = mg
So, fk = (μk)(mg)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
823
Replies
18
Views
3K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K