What is the Correct Approach for Solving This Differential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation expressed as y = 2xy' + y(y')², with a related equation y² = c₁(x + c₁/4). Participants are exploring the correct approach to verify whether the second equation serves as a solution to the differential equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the process of substituting expressions for y and y' into the differential equation. There are questions about the completeness of the problem statement and the correct interpretation of constants in the equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on verifying the solution by substituting derived expressions into the original equation. There is an ongoing clarification regarding the constants used in the equations and the interpretation of the problem requirements.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the presence of a constant c₂, with some participants asserting its absence based on reference materials. Additionally, the phrasing of certain steps in the problem-solving process has led to questions about clarity and correctness.

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Homework Statement



y = 2xy' + y(y')2 ; y2 = c1(x + c1/4)

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So far I've gotten the second equation to be: y = (c1x + c12/4)1/2

I was then going to take the derivative of that equation and plug them into the first equation after setting it to zero.

Is that the right way to handle this particular equation?
 
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aaronfue said:

Homework Statement



y = 2xy' + y(y')2 ; y2 = c1(x + c1/4)
Your problem statement is incomplete - it doesn't say what you need to do. Are you supposed to show that the equation with y2 is a solution of the diff. equation?

Also, your equation for y2 should be y2 = c1(x + c2/4)


aaronfue said:

Homework Equations



So far I've gotten the second equation to be: y = (c1x + c12/4)1/2

I was then going to take the derivative of that equation and plug them into the first equation after setting it to zero.
"after setting it to zero" - ??

Your equation for y should be written as y = ±(c1(x + c2/4))1/2, since the original equation determines two values for y: one positive and one negative.

Substitute your expressions for y and y' into the differential equation. If the solution is correct, you'll get an equation that is identically true.
aaronfue said:
Is that the right way to handle this particular equation?
 


Mark44,

You are correct, the problem asked to verify that the indicated function is a solution of the given differential equation.

- My initial equation was correct. There is no c2 in the equation. (see attached document from textbook)

- "after setting it to zero" : I was referring to y = 2xy' + y(y')^2 --> 0 = 2xy' + y(y')^2 - y

Thanks for your reply.
 

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aaronfue said:
Mark44,

You are correct, the problem asked to verify that the indicated function is a solution of the given differential equation.

- My initial equation was correct. There is no c2 in the equation. (see attached document from textbook)
That is possibly a typo in the book. The right side of that equation is the same as c1x + c2, where c2 = (1/4)c12.
aaronfue said:
- "after setting it to zero" : I was referring to y = 2xy' + y(y')^2 --> 0 = 2xy' + y(y')^2 - y
OK, that wasn't clear to me. You could work with the equation as-is, without moving y to the other side. It doesn't make much difference either way.
 

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