What Is the Correct Approach to Solve These Implicit Differentiation Problems?

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The discussion revolves around implicit differentiation problems, specifically focusing on the differentiation of equations involving multiple variables. The original poster presents an equation and their attempts at finding the derivative, while others engage in clarifying the differentiation steps and addressing potential errors in the process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the term -10xy, questioning the signs used in the differentiation process. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of implicit differentiation rules and to identify errors in the original poster's calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the differentiation steps and suggesting corrections. There is an exploration of different forms of the derivative, and some participants express confusion about the correct approach to subsequent problems involving implicit differentiation.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of uncertainty regarding the application of multiplication by common denominators in the context of the second problem presented. The original poster's understanding of the steps required for implicit differentiation appears to be challenged by the feedback received.

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Homework Statement


8x^2-10xy+3y^2=26


2. The attempt at a solution

(8)(2x)-(-10x)y'+(y)(-10)+(3)(2y)y'=0

16x+10x(y')-10y+6y(y')=0

y'(10x+6y)+16x-10y=0

y'(10x+6y)=10y-16x

y'=(10y-16x)/(10x+6y)

y'=(5y-8x)/(5x+3y)

I know I'm doing something wrong but I can't see it for myself. Can someome point me into the right direction?
 
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pr0blumz said:
(8)(2x)-(-10x)y'+(y)(-10)+(3)(2y)y'=0

Where'd you get that extra minus sign from when differentiating -10xy?
 
I differentiated (-10xy)
 
pr0blumz said:
(8)(2x)-(-10x)y'+(y)(-10)+(3)(2y)y'=0

That -ve sign should be a + sign.
 
I'm still getting (5y-8x)/(3y-5x)
 
pr0blumz said:
I'm still getting (5y-8x)/(3y-5x)

What answer are you supposed to get?
 
(8x-5y)/(5x-3y)
 
pr0blumz said:
(8x-5y)/(5x-3y)

Well multiply both the numerator and denominator by -1.
 
Only thing that I see happened was that y' was moved to the right side of the equation therefore changing the signs. After I done it that way, I got the correct answer. Go figure!
 
  • #10
As rockfreak667 said before, you already had the correct answer:
(5y-8x)/(3y-5x)= (8x-5y)/(5x-3y)
 
  • #11
HallsofIvy said:
As rockfreak667 said before, you already had the correct answer:
(5y-8x)/(3y-5x)= (8x-5y)/(5x-3y)

I have another problem as well.

x + (sqrtx)(sqrty) = 2y

1 + (x^1/2)/(2y^1/2)y' + (y^1/2)/(2x^1/2) = 2y'

My question is why I suppose to multiply both sides by (2x^1/2 * y^1/2) and not both of the denominators?
 
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pr0blumz said:
I have another problem as well.

x + (sqrtx)(sqrty) = 2y

1 + (x^1/2)/(2y^1/2)y' + (y^1/2)/(2x^1/2) = 2y'

My question is why I suppose to multiply both sides by (2x^1/2 * y^1/2) and not both of the denominators?

the common denominator of those the terms (not the 1 and not the 2y') is 2x1/2y1/2
 

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