What Is the Correct Equation for Equilibrium Temperature of Two Fluids?

  • Thread starter Thread starter trying_mybest
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Equilibrium Fluids
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the final equilibrium temperature of two bodies of water with different initial temperatures. The problem involves a 5-gallon container of water at 212 degrees F mixed with 50 gallons of water at 50 degrees F, with a focus on the heat transfer between the two fluids.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the heat transfer equation, questioning the correct formulation of the equation and the values for temperature changes. There is discussion about the conversion of units and the implications of heat loss and gain.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into potential errors in the initial setup of the heat transfer equation, suggesting that one side of the equation should account for heat loss. Others have expressed confusion regarding the calculations leading to an unexpected final temperature.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are attempting to clarify the correct approach without reaching a definitive conclusion. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct signs are used in the heat transfer equation.

trying_mybest
Messages
10
Reaction score
4
Homework Statement
A 5-gallon container of water (1 gal = 3.79 liter) at 212 degrees F is added to 50 gallons of water at 50 degrees F. What is the final equilibrium temperature in degrees C?
Relevant Equations
Qlost = Qgained
Not really sure how to start this one.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Delta2
Physics news on Phys.org
trying_mybest said:
Homework Statement:: A 5-gallon container of water (1 gal = 3.79 liter) at 212 degrees F is added to 50 gallons of water at 50 degrees F. What is the final equilibrium temperature in degrees C?
Relevant Equations:: Qlost = Qgained

Not really sure how to start this one.
If the final temperature is T degrees F, what are the values of Qlost and Qgained?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Delta2
Final temp should be ˚C.

I used m1C∆T1 = m2C∆T2

I keep getting 0 for the final temp when it's supposed to be 18 C
 
trying_mybest said:
I keep getting 0 for the final temp when it's supposed to be 18 C
And you'd like someone to guess where you are going wrong?
trying_mybest said:
Final temp should be ˚C.
Yes, but it will be simpler to do one conversion at the end than two at the start.
 
trying_mybest said:
Final temp should be ˚C.

I used m1C∆T1 = m2C∆T2

I keep getting 0 for the final temp when it's supposed to be 18 C
That equation looks fine but what do you put for ##\Delta T_1## and ##\Delta T_2##?
 
m1 = 5 gal * 3.79 L/gal * 1000 g/L = 18,750 g
m2 = 50 gal * 3.79 L/gal * 1000 g/L = 187,500 g

m1*C*(Tf - T1) = m2*C*(Tf - T2)

m1CTf - m1CT1 = m2CTf - m2CT2

m1CTf - m2CTf = m1CT1 - m2CT2
Tf(m1 - m2) = m1T1 - m2T2
Tf = (m1T1 - m2T2) / (m1 - m2)
Tf = (18,750*212 - 187,500*50) / (18,750 - 187,500)
Tf = -5,400,000 / -168,750 = 32 ˚F = 0 ˚C
 
Well, i think the mistake lies right at the start.
$$m_1C(T_f-T_1)=m_2C(T_f-T_2)$$ is not correct, the correct is $$-m_1C(T_f-T_1)=m_2C(T_f-T_2)$$ because one body is losing heat (so the heat will be negative) and the other is gaining heat (so the heat will be positive).
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: trying_mybest
Delta2 said:
Well, i think the mistake lies right at the start.
$$m_1C(T_f-T_1)=m_2C(T_f-T_2)$$ is not correct, the correct is $$-m_1C(T_f-T_1)=m_2C(T_f-T_2)$$ because one body is losing heat (so the heat will be negative) and the other is gaining heat (so the heat will be positive).

Thank you! I caught that mistake earlier, fixed it, and got the correct answer.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Delta2

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
1K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K