What Is the Correct Way to Calculate Average Force in a Jumping Scenario?

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The problem involves calculating the average force exerted on a person's torso during deceleration after jumping from a height of 4.2 meters. The scenario includes specific parameters such as the mass of the torso and the distance over which deceleration occurs.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of average force and question the need to consider gravitational force during deceleration. There are attempts to clarify the definition of average force and its calculation methods.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have raised concerns about the adequacy of the information provided and the assumptions underlying the calculations. There is no explicit consensus on how to proceed, but various perspectives on the problem are being shared.

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Participants note that the question may be flawed due to the lack of information regarding the time of deceleration and the implications of average force definitions. There is also mention of the potential for varying forces during the landing process.

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Homework Statement


A person jumps from the roof of a house 4.2-mhigh. When he strikes the ground below, he bends his knees so that his torso decelerates over an approximate distance of 0.66 m .

If the mass of his torso (excluding legs) is 43 kg , find the magnitude of the average force exerted on his torso by his legs during deceleration.

Homework Equations


vy2 = v02 +2ad
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I already got 9.077 as v0 (this is correct)
vy = 0
d = 0.66

0 = 9.0772 + 2a(0.66)
-82.391 = 1.32a
a = -62.41F = 43(-62.41)
F = -2683.97 (this answer is wrong and I don't know why)
 
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Perhaps they want you to find the force of gravity during the deceleration and add that?
 
Jamison Lahman said:
Perhaps they want you to find the force of gravity during the deceleration and add that?

I don't know how to do that.
 
sunnyday said:
I don't know how to do that.
##F=m(a+a_g)##
Also, I believe magnitude implies a positive number.
 
sunnyday said:
I don't know how to do that.
What would the force on his torso have been if he had jumped from only .0001m? Or if he'd not jumped at all, but just stood there?

Soapbox: The question is wrong. There is no way to answer it with the information given.
Average force is defined as Δp/Δt, the change in momentum divided by the elapsed time. It cannot in general be calculated by ΔE/Δs, the change in energy divided by the distance the force moves. They will give the same answer if the force is constant, but otherwise they may be different. In the specific case of a person landing from a jump, the force will be small initially and increase as the muscles tauten.

Instead of asking for average force, the question should say "what is the force, assuming it is constant?"

See section 3 of https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/frequently-made-errors-mechanics-forces/ for a longer rant.
 

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