Calculate the total change in length of a brass bar

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total change in length of a brass bar with a hole, focusing on the effects of stress and elongation in two distinct sections of the bar. The subject area includes material mechanics and elasticity principles.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of stress and elongation in two sections of the bar, questioning the assumptions made about stress uniformity and cross-sectional area calculations. There is a focus on understanding the interaction between the two sections and how to correctly apply the formulas for elongation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on recalculating the cross-sectional area and have pointed out potential errors in the original calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to determine the stress in each section and how it affects the overall elongation.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using different diameters for the cross-sectional area and the need to consider the bar as two separate bodies due to the presence of a hole. There is also a mention of unit conversion issues that may have affected calculations.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



Stress = force/ cross sectional area

elongation = force x length / modulus of elasticity x cross sectional area

The Attempt at a Solution



The given solution is 0.149mm

I assumed that the bar needs to be solved in two sections because of the hole of diameter 20mm in the first 70mm of the bar. I will call this part A and the 90mm section part B.

Part A:

Stress = force/ cross sectional area
Force = stress x cross sectional area
= 125x10^6 x pi/4(.03-.02)^2
= 9.8kN

elongation = force x length / modulus of elasticity x cross sectional area
= 9.8x10^3 x 0.07 / 100x10^9 x pi/4(.03-.02)^2
= 8.73x10^-5mm

Part B:

Force = stress x cross sectional area
= 125x10^6 x pi/4(.03)^2
= 88.4kN

elongation = force x length / modulus of elasticity x cross sectional area
= 88.4x10^3 x 0.09 / 100x10^9 x pi/4(.03)^2
= 1.126x10^-4mm

now if I add the elongation from part A & B together I do not get 0.149mm.
Please show me where I am going wrong.
 
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You did not calculate the cross-sectional area of the left section correctly.

You have assumed that the stress is the same in both sections. But is that correct? Imagine that the stress is created by applying an overall force on the left end and an overall force on the right end. How do these two forces compare?
 
TSny said:
You did not calculate the cross-sectional area of the left section correctly.

You have assumed that the stress is the same in both sections. But is that correct? Imagine that the stress is created by applying an overall force on the left end and an overall force on the right end. How do these two forces compare?

Hi TSny

I understand what you are trying to get me to imagine I just don't know how to apply it.
I guess I need to find a ratio between the diameters and/or lengths? Then multiply this by the stress of 125MPa to find the stress induced on each end?
 
DevonZA said:
Hi TSny

I understand what you are trying to get me to imagine I just don't know how to apply it.
I guess I need to find a ratio between the diameters and/or lengths? Then multiply this by the stress of 125MPa to find the stress induced on each end?
Did you understand from TSny's post that this is wrong:
DevonZA said:
pi/4(.03-.02)^2

Having fixed that, consider the two lengths as separate bodies. What is the interaction between them?
 
I have found the solution. I will post it when I get a minute.
I realize that I need to use pi/4(.03^2-.02^2)
 
You calculate the force as about 49,000kN. Are you sure about the units?
 
haruspex said:
You calculate the force as about 49,000kN. Are you sure about the units?

That is 49kN not 49000kN. I should have used a period not a comma
 
DevonZA said:
That is 49kN not 49000kN. I should have used a period not a comma
Sorry, I should have noticed you were using the decimal comma in the radii. All looks good,then.
 
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