What is the difference between centripetal and angular acceleration?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the conceptual differences between centripetal acceleration and angular acceleration, exploring their definitions, implications, and relationships in the context of rotational motion. Participants seek clarity on how these concepts interact, particularly in scenarios involving changing angular velocity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define centripetal acceleration as the acceleration directed towards the center of a circular path, exemplified by a ball on a string, while angular acceleration is described as the change in angular velocity of the object.
  • There is a discussion about whether angular acceleration can exist independently of centripetal force, with some arguing that a change in angular velocity implies angular acceleration but does not exclude the presence of centripetal force.
  • One participant emphasizes that centripetal acceleration is the result of a centripetal force and can occur even when the rate of rotation remains constant, while angular acceleration is linked to the application of torque.
  • Mathematical expressions for centripetal and angular acceleration are mentioned, highlighting their relationships and conditions under which they can be zero simultaneously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between centripetal and angular acceleration, with no consensus reached on whether one can exist without the other in certain scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of clear terminology, distinguishing between forces and accelerations, and the conditions under which each type of acceleration applies. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interplay of centripetal force and angular acceleration in dynamic situations.

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So as the title says, what is the difference between centripetal and angular acceleration? I already know that there is a difference in the equations for each of the components but can someone please explain it conceptually? Please use some examples in your explanation.
 
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Centripetal acceleration simply means a centrally-directed force accelerating an object. As in the case of a ball on a string whirling around, the ball experiences a centripetal acceleration. Angular acceleration, however, is the change in angular velocity of the ball: if it were speeding up in its rotation, it would experience angular acceleration (i.e. if you shorten the string).
 
Nabeshin said:
Centripetal acceleration simply means a centrally-directed force accelerating an object. As in the case of a ball on a string whirling around, the ball experiences a centripetal acceleration. Angular acceleration, however, is the change in angular velocity of the ball: if it were speeding up in its rotation, it would experience angular acceleration (i.e. if you shorten the string).

So from what you're saying, when there is a change in angular velocity of the ball, there is only angular acceleration acting on it? Does centripetal force also apply in this scenario?
 
jayadds said:
So from what you're saying, when there is a change in angular velocity of the ball, there is only angular acceleration acting on it? Does centripetal force also apply in this scenario?

Not necessarily. Change in angular velocity certainly implies angular acceleration, but doesn't rule out there also being a centripetal force. If we go back to my ball on string analogy, the tension of the string is always providing a centripetal force. If I, say, strap a rocket onto the ball and fire it in the direction of motion, it experiences an angular acceleration. Note that as the angular velocity changes, so too does the centripetal force (in this case, the tension in the string) necessary to keep it on a circular trajectory.
 
jayadds said:
So from what you're saying, when there is a change in angular velocity of the ball, there is only angular acceleration acting on it? Does centripetal force also apply in this scenario?

Let's be clear with the terminology first: a force acts, acceleration is the result.
A body undergoes centripetal acceleration (the acceleration it needs in order to keep moving around some focus) when subjected to a centripetal force (from a string, gravity..).
This applies even when the rate of rotation does not change.
A body undergoes angular acceleration when subjected to an angular force (torque). This would often be a ball/disc/wheel made to spin faster or more slowly, but would also apply if, as Nabeshin says, the orbital rate changes.

In algebra, centripetal acceleration is r.\omega^2; angular speed is r.\omega; angular acceleration is \partial(r.\omega)/\partialt. Either acceleration can be zero (at least briefly) while the other is not.
 
I wish i could remember these equations

v=\dot{R}\hat r + Rω\hat θ
a=( \ddot {R}-Rω^2)\hat r +(Rα+2\dot {R}w)\hat θ
 

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