What is the Direction of Magnetic Force on a Moving Electron?

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The discussion revolves around the direction of the magnetic force acting on a moving electron within a magnetic field. The electron has a negative charge and is moving in a specified direction, while the magnetic field is oriented in a different direction. Participants are analyzing the implications of the charge's sign on the force's direction.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the velocity of the electron, the magnetic field, and the resulting force, particularly focusing on the cross product and the effect of the negative charge on the direction of the force.

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There is an active exploration of the direction of the magnetic force, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the charge's effect on the force's direction. Some participants express confusion regarding the textbook's explanation and seek clarification on the implications of the negative charge.

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Participants reference specific equations and concepts from their textbooks, indicating a reliance on established physics principles while grappling with the nuances of the problem. There is mention of a diagram that could aid understanding, suggesting a visual component may be beneficial for clarity.

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Homework Statement


An electron (charge = –1.6 x 10^–19 C) is moving at 3.0 x 10^5 m/s in the positive x direction. A magnetic field of 0.80 T is in the positive z direction. The magnetic force on the electron is:

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a) 0 N

b) 3.8 x 10^–14 N in the positive z direction

c) 3.8 x 10^–14 N in the negative z direction

d) 3.8 x 10^–14 N in the positive y direction

e) 3.8 x 10^–14 N in the negative y direction

Homework Equations


F(b) =q(vxb)

The Attempt at a Solution


Force is 3.8x10^-14

In terms of direction, I was told that it was the positive y direction, but isn't the charge negative so it should be the negative y direction?
 
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I get it in the positive y direction, because X x Y = Z. Can you post a diagram?
 
BTW, why are all of the answers wrong?
 
berkeman said:
BTW, why are all of the answers wrong?

They are all wrong? I got the same force as the other force answers...

I know X x Y = Z, but from my textbook "If q is negative, then the force and cross product have opposite signs and thus must be in opposite directions. "
Shouldn't this then reverse it from positive y direction to negative y direction?
 
Jimbob999 said:
I know X x Y = Z, ...

But what is X x Z ?
 
TSny said:
But what is X x Z ?

You mean qv x F? I am not sure I follow?
 
berkeman said:
BTW, why are all of the answers wrong?

F = –1.6 x 10^–19 (3.0 x 10^5 x0.8)
F =-3.84 x 10^–14

Admittedly I get a negative answer, but at least it matches numerically.
 
Jimbob999 said:
Admittedly I get a negative answer, but at least it matches numerically.
I think you mean it's magnitude matches .

The direction - assuming z - axis leaves the plane , how are you getting force in the -ve y direction ?
Velocity vector's cross product with the magnetic field is in the -ve y direction . So , a -ve charge implies the opposite of this , i.e. , in the +ve y direction .

Hope this helps .
 
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Qwertywerty said:
I think you mean it's magnitude matches .

The direction - assuming z - axis leaves the plane , how are you getting force in the -ve y direction ?
Velocity vector's cross product with the magnetic field is in the -ve y direction . So , a -ve charge implies the opposite of this , i.e. , in the +ve y direction .

Hope this helps .

Again I would get the +ve y direction answer as you do, except the part in the textbook that confuses me is this: 'If q is negative, then the force and cross product have opposite signs and thus must be in opposite directions' q is negative isn't it? Thus the positive y becomes negative y. Oh boy how lost am I now...
 
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Jimbob999 said:
Again I would get the +ve y direction answer as you do, except the part in the textbook that confuses me is this: 'If q is negative, then the force and cross product have opposite signs and thus must be in opposite directions' q is negative isn't it?
That's what I have said . v×B ( in vector form ) is towards -ve y direction , but electron charge is -ve , so force is in the +ve direction .
 
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Qwertywerty said:
That's what I have said . v×B ( in vector form ) is towards -ve y direction , but electron charge is -ve , so force is in the +ve direction .

Ah ok, I think I get that now.

So am I correct in concluding firstly that F = 3.84 x 10^–14 or as berkeman hinted at, is that incorrect?
 
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Although you'll have to check the magnitude .
 

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