What is the Direction of Normal Force in Static Equilibrium on a Ramp?

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The discussion revolves around the direction of the normal force acting on an object in static equilibrium on a ramp. Participants are examining the relationship between the normal force and the angles involved in the setup.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the components of the normal force, particularly whether it should be expressed as N cos(α) or N sin(β-α). There is a focus on the implications of the normal force being perpendicular to the ramp and how that relates to the angles in the free body diagram.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of the definitions and relationships between the normal force and the angles involved. Some participants are suggesting alternative interpretations of the free body diagram, while others are clarifying the correct orientation of the normal force in relation to the ramp.

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Participants are working with a specific diagram that includes angles, which may not be fully described in the text. The discussion is influenced by the need to reconcile different interpretations of the normal force's components based on the geometry of the situation.

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Homework Statement


Part a of the image below. When I try to solve this question, I can't get the solution in the answer key. In the answer key the y component of the normal force is NCos(alpha) in the last line. Does the normal force not point perpendicular to the ramp?

Homework Equations


F=ma=0 since we are in static equilibrium
sum of torques = 0;

The Attempt at a Solution


In the picture below.
 

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Coderhk said:
Does the normal force not point perpendicular to the ramp?
It does indeed, but doesn't that mean that the vertical component is N cos(α) as stated?
In the attachment I see Ny evaluated as N sin(β-α). That would be taking N as acting along the bar, not normal to the ramp.
 
haruspex said:
It does indeed, but doesn't that mean that the vertical component is N cos(α) as stated?
Shouldn't it be Nsin(beta-alpha)? I got to that answer based on my right most diagram. If the normal force was to be perpendicular to the surface it would be parallel to the bar right?
 
Coderhk said:
. If the normal force was to be perpendicular to the surface it would be parallel to the bar right?
No, that would only be true if the bar were normal to the surface, which it is not.
 
haruspex said:
No, that would only be true if the bar were normal to the surface, which it is not.
should the free body diagram look like this instead?
 

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Coderhk said:
should the free body diagram look like this instead?
It looks roughly right, but there seems to be (faintly) an angle labelled α between the normal and the horizontal. That would not be right.
The angle between the surface and the horizontal is α.
 
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