What is the electric field due to hollow sphere at R=z?

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The discussion revolves around the electric field due to a hollow sphere with a surface charge density σ at a point z, particularly focusing on the behavior of the electric field at the boundary where z equals the radius R of the sphere. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to electrostatics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant derived the electric field E(r) for a hollow sphere and noted that it becomes undefined at z=R due to a division by zero in the equation.
  • Another participant pointed out that the electric field has a well-defined finite limit from both sides at z=R, indicating a discontinuity expected from the presence of surface charge.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the idealization of a surface charge with zero thickness leads to discontinuities, and in reality, surface charges would have some thickness, resulting in a continuous transition of the electric field.
  • It was noted that asking for the electric field at the exact point of the surface is akin to querying the field at a point charge, which is inherently discontinuous.
  • A follow-up question was raised regarding the existence of a potential V at z=R despite the discontinuity in the electric field E.
  • Another participant compared the situation to continuous functions with discontinuous derivatives, suggesting that such behavior is not unusual in mathematical contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the discontinuity at z=R, with some emphasizing the expected nature of the discontinuity due to surface charge, while others highlight the idealization and its limitations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of potential V at the discontinuity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the limitations of idealized models in electrostatics, particularly concerning the treatment of surface charges and the behavior of electric fields at boundaries.

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So I derived the E-field of a hollow sphere with a surface charge σ at z and I got:

E(r)=\hat{z}\frac{\sigma R^2}{2\varepsilon _{0}z^2}\left ( \frac{R+z}{\left | R+z \right |}-\frac{R-z}{\left | R-z \right |} \right )

at z>R, the equation becomes:

E(r)=\hat{z}\frac{\sigma R^2}{\varepsilon _{0}z^2}

then at z<R:

E(r)=0

as expected.

However, the equation would explode at z=R, since the denominator of the second term in the right hand side equation becomes zero. Now, how do I get over this? and get the E-field at z=R. Any alternate solution to overcome the 0/0?
 
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The field has a well defined finite limit from both sides. It is discontinuous at z = R, but that is expected from the surface charge.
 
A surface charge density with zero thickness is an idealization. In the real world, a surface charge always has some small thickness, and the field makes a rapid but continuous transition.
 
Also, in the idealised case, asking for the electric field at the exact point of the surface is not that different from asking about the field at the exact point of a point charge. It is not really surprising that it does not have a particular value and is discontinuous.
 
Thanks for all valuable input! Just a follow up, how do we explain the case where there is a Potential V at z=R but E is discontinuous?
 
This is no stranger than any continuous function with discontinuous derivatives, such as ##|x|##.
 

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