What is the equation for Cp in terms of R for an adiabatic charging process?

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The discussion revolves around determining the equation for specific heat capacity (Cp) in relation to the ideal gas constant (R) during an adiabatic charging process involving a cylinder and piston system. Participants clarify the application of the first law of thermodynamics for an open system, emphasizing the importance of recognizing changing volumes and the work done on the piston. The final pressure, temperature, and mass of air in the cylinder are calculated, with participants debating the correct equations to use given the adiabatic nature of the process. The conversation highlights the relationship between internal energy, enthalpy, and work done, ultimately leading to a simplified expression for the enthalpy change in terms of the system parameters. The thread concludes with a focus on deriving the left side of the energy equation using the appropriate heat capacity relations.
  • #31
Chestermiller said:
As you responded in a private conversation: W=[kx2/2+PaAx]. So now what do we get if we substitute this into our equation:
$$m(h-h_{in})=-W+kx^2+P_aAx$$
Chet
m(h−hin)=−[kx2/2+PaAx]+kx2+PaAx ?
 
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  • #32
Tomdickjerry said:
m(h−hin)=−[kx2/2+PaAx]+kx2+PaAx ?
Collect terms?
 
  • #33
Chestermiller said:
Collect terms?
m(h−hin)=1/2kx2?
 
  • #34
Correct. Pretty simple, huh?

This is all that needs to be done on the right hand side of the equation. I'll be back in a little while to get you started working on the left hand side of the equation. Right now, I'm on my iPhone.
 
  • #35
Chestermiller said:
Correct. Pretty simple, huh?

This is all that needs to be done on the right hand side of the equation. I'll be back in a little while to get you started working on the left hand side of the equation. Right now, I'm on my iPhone.
alright thanks! for the left side do i just use cv(t2-t1) i figured since the it isn't constant pressure process
 
  • #36
Tomdickjerry said:
alright thanks! for the left side do i just use cv(t2-t1) i figured since the it isn't constant pressure process
Actually, no, but you're on the right track. The molar enthalpy of a pure single phase substance can be expressed uniquely as a function of temperature T and pressure P: h = h(T,P). The molar heat capacity Cp is, by definition, the partial derivative of h with respect to T at constant P:
$$C_p\equiv \left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial T}\right)_P$$For an ideal gas, molar enthalpy is a function only of temperature T. So the partial derivative becomes a total derivative: $$\frac{dh}{dT }=C_p$$For an ideal gas, this equation applies even if the pressure is not constant. The quantity ##C_p## is called the heat capacity at constant pressure only because, in measuring ##C_p## experimentally, not only is the change in enthalpy dh at constant pressure equal to ##C_pdT##, but so also is the amount of heat added dQ. So, under constant pressure conditions, ##C_p## can be measured experimentally by directly determining the amount of heat added. If the pressure is not constant, then dQ is not equal to ##C_pdT## but dh (for an ideal gas) is still equal to CpdT.

So, since for an ideal gas, dh is always equal to ##C_pdT##, irrespective of whether the pressure is constant, we have:
$$(h-h_{in})=C_p(T-T_{in})$$where h is the final molar enthalpy of the air in the cylinder, ##h_{in}## is the molar enthalpy of the air in the tank, T is the final temperature of the air in the cylinder, and ##T_{in}## is the temperature of the air in the tank (27 C = 300 K).

Now m is the final number of moles of air in the cylinder. From the ideal gas law, please (algebraically) express m as a function of PV, R, and T, where R is the universal gas constant.

Air is a diatomic gas. In the ideal gas region, how is the molar heat capacity ##C_p## of a diatomic ideal gas related to the ideal gas constant R?

Chet
 
  • #37
Chestermiller said:
Actually, no, but you're on the right track. The molar enthalpy of a pure single phase substance can be expressed uniquely as a function of temperature T and pressure P: h = h(T,P). The molar heat capacity Cp is, by definition, the partial derivative of h with respect to T at constant P:
$$C_p\equiv \left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial T}\right)_P$$For an ideal gas, molar enthalpy is a function only of temperature T. So the partial derivative becomes a total derivative: $$\frac{dh}{dT }=C_p$$For an ideal gas, this equation applies even if the pressure is not constant. The quantity ##C_p## is called the heat capacity at constant pressure only because, in measuring ##C_p## experimentally, not only is the change in enthalpy dh at constant pressure equal to ##C_pdT##, but so also is the amount of heat added dQ. So, under constant pressure conditions, ##C_p## can be measured experimentally by directly determining the amount of heat added. If the pressure is not constant, then dQ is not equal to ##C_pdT## but dh (for an ideal gas) is still equal to CpdT.

So, since for an ideal gas, dh is always equal to ##C_pdT##, irrespective of whether the pressure is constant, we have:
$$(h-h_{in})=C_p(T-T_{in})$$where h is the final molar enthalpy of the air in the cylinder, ##h_{in}## is the molar enthalpy of the air in the tank, T is the final temperature of the air in the cylinder, and ##T_{in}## is the temperature of the air in the tank (27 C = 300 K).

Now m is the final number of moles of air in the cylinder. From the ideal gas law, please (algebraically) express m as a function of PV, R, and T, where R is the universal gas constant.

Air is a diatomic gas. In the ideal gas region, how is the molar heat capacity ##C_p## of a diatomic ideal gas related to the ideal gas constant R?

Chet
m=pv/rt.
i don't know what a diatomic gas is it wasn't covered in my syllabus but I am assuming you're referring to the k=1.4?
 
  • #38
Tomdickjerry said:
m=pv/rt.
i don't know what a diatomic gas is it wasn't covered in my syllabus but I am assuming you're referring to the k=1.4?
Yes. So, if ##\frac{C_p}{C_v}=1.4## and ##C_p-C_v=R## (you are familiar with this equation, correct?), what is the equation for Cp expressed exclusively in terms of R?
 

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