What is the equation for finding the change in gravitational potential energy of a 64.5-kg astronaut in orbit?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in gravitational potential energy for a 64.5-kg astronaut transitioning from Earth's surface to a circular orbit at an altitude of 440 km. The subject area is gravitational potential energy and orbital mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the equations for gravitational potential energy both on Earth's surface and in orbit, questioning the validity of different formulas presented in a solutions manual. There is confusion regarding the distinction between potential energy and total energy, as well as the role of kinetic energy in orbital scenarios.

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Participants are actively questioning the definitions and formulas related to gravitational potential energy and total energy in the context of orbital mechanics. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct use of terms and the distinction between potential energy and total energy, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the equations.

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There is an ongoing debate about the correct application of gravitational potential energy equations, particularly in relation to the altitude of the astronaut and the definitions of binding energy and total energy. Participants are also considering the implications of using different variables and constants in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



What is the change in gravitational potential energy of a 64.5-kg astronaut, lifted from
Earth’s surface into a circular orbit of altitude 4.40 3 102 km?



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Ok, i know to find this i have to find the gravitational energy on Earth using Earth's radius and find the gravitational energy in orbit using the Earth's radius + the altitude. Therefore, the equation at Earth would be Eg = -GMm/re and the equation in orbit would be
Eg = -0.5(GMm/re + altitude).

However, in the solutions manual it uses the same equation Eg = -GMm/re when the object is in orbit.
I just want to know if the book is wrong or if i am wrong. I thought that when objects are in orbit you have to play in the value of kinetic energy which creates the equation of Eg = -0.5(GMm/re + altitude). Please explain
 
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justinh8 said:
... and the equation in orbit would be
Eg = -0.5(GMm/re + altitude).
Is Eg the total energy or the potential energy?
However, in the solutions manual it uses the same equation Eg = -GMm/re when the object is in orbit.
I just want to know if the book is wrong or if i am wrong. I thought that when objects are in orbit you have to play in the value of kinetic energy which creates the equation of Eg = -0.5(GMm/re + altitude). Please explain
Why would kinetic energy affect potential energy? Potential energy is a function of r (distance from the centre of the earth) only. It looks like you may be confusing total energy with potential energy.

AM
 
Ok, so the formula of -0.5(GMm/re + altitude) is for the total energy?
 
justinh8 said:
Ok, so the formula of -0.5(GMm/re + altitude) is for the total energy?

This is correct, for something in a stable orbit. You would lose the factor of 1/2 if you just wanted the contribution from gravitational potential energy.
 
So when it asks for just the gravitational potential energy, i use Eg = -GMm/r ?
 
and also, does binding energy = -0.5(Gmm/r) or 0.5(Gmm/r)?
 
justinh8 said:
So when it asks for just the gravitational potential energy, i use Eg = -GMm/r ?
Correct. But I would suggest you use PE or U to distinguish it from total energy. This is the potential energy relative to r = ∞.

justinh8 said:
and also, does binding energy = -0.5(Gmm/r) or 0.5(Gmm/r)?
Binding energy is the work that must be done on an object of mass m to get it from R = r to R = ∞. It is positive.

AM
 

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