What is the Force at Pin E in a Frame and Machine Analysis?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force acting at pin E in a frame and machine analysis problem. Participants are addressing a specific homework problem involving equilibrium equations and forces in a mechanical system.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster outlines their approach to find the force at pin E, including calculations for moments and reactions at other points in the frame.
  • Some participants propose that the original poster's approach to breaking down forces is correct, while others challenge the interpretation of certain components and equations.
  • There is a suggestion to verify the angle used in the calculations, specifically questioning the use of 30 degrees in the equations.
  • Corrections are made regarding the omission of certain forces in the equations, indicating that the calculations may need adjustments.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of specific equations and assumptions, particularly regarding angles and force components. The discussion remains unresolved as participants provide corrections and alternative suggestions without reaching a consensus.

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There are indications of potential misinterpretations in the equations used, particularly concerning the angles and the inclusion of forces. The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem and the need for careful consideration of the assumptions made.

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Students and practitioners involved in mechanical engineering, structural analysis, or related fields may find this discussion relevant, especially those working on similar frame and machine analysis problems.

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Homework Statement



Find the force acting at pin E

[PLAIN]http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4983/piczt.png

a = 53.0 mm, b = 212 mm, c = 318 mm, d = 106 mm, and e = 371 mm.

A mass of 515kg acts through H.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



By finding the moment about point D, we can find the reaction at G, and since GI is a two force member the same force (opposite sign) acts at the other end, on pin I.

[tex]F_G = \frac {(F_H \times 2b) }{d_1}[/tex]

where [tex]d_1 = (2c+d) sin (180 - Atan (\frac{c}{d}))[/tex]

Solving this part I get 5205N, I know this is correct.

To find the forces at E isolate the IKE member. Sum the forces about E, to find the reaction JK then use equilibrium equations to find the x and y forces at E.

[tex] F_{GIx} = 5205 cos (56.31)[/tex]
[tex] F_{GIy} = 5205 sin (56.31)[/tex]
[tex] M_E = (F_{GIy} \times 2a) + (F_{GIx} \times \frac {2a}{cos(30)})[/tex]

This next part I'm having trouble with, can I simply break up the components of [tex]F_{IG}[/tex] and then have them act at I? With opposite sign of course.

I've bee working with the assumption that JK acts perpendicular to EI, is this correct?
 
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julz127: The answer to both of your last two questions is yes. Dividing 2*a by cos(30 deg) in your last equation currently seems wrong, unless I am misinterpreting. Check that. Also, your last equation seems to erroneously omit F_JK.
 
Yeah, last equation should have been:

[tex]F_{JK} \times \frac {a} {\cos(30)} = (F_{GIy} \times 2a) + (F_{GIx} \times 2a\tan(30)[/tex]
 
Hint 1: Regarding your equation in post 3, are you sure about 30 deg? Check that.
 
Oh dammit. :P

Do you know how long I spent on this question, before giving up and clicking "show answer"?

Thanks anyway. At least I can do it now.
 

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