What is the force on an electric dipole due to another electric dipole?

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Homework Statement



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Two electric dipoles, oriented as shown in the figure, are separated by a distance r.

What is the force on p1 due to p2

Homework Equations



F = (p dot ∇)E

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm confused on the p dot ∇ part.

How is the divergence of p not just zero?

It seems p1 would just be some constant in the x hat direction.
 
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Think about that carefully. [itex]\mathbf{p}\cdot\nabla[/itex] is not the divergence of [itex]\mathbf{p}[/itex]!
 
diazona said:
Think about that carefully. [itex]\mathbf{p}\cdot\nabla[/itex] is not the divergence of [itex]\mathbf{p}[/itex]!

I'm not sure I understand that. ∇⋅p would be divergence? And dot products are commutative.
 
This isn't really a dot product, though, it's a dot "application." That is, it still means that [itex]\mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b} = a_x b_x + a_y b_y + a_z b_z[/itex], but you can't assume that e.g. [itex]a_x b_x[/itex] means "[itex]a_x[/itex] multiplied by [itex]b_x[/itex]," because you are dealing with things that don't get multiplied. Think about it: does [itex]x \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] mean [itex]x[/itex] multiplied by [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex]? Does [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x} x[/itex] mean [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] multiplied by [itex]x[/itex]?
 
diazona said:
This isn't really a dot product, though, it's a dot "application." That is, it still means that [itex]\mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b} = a_x b_x + a_y b_y + a_z b_z[/itex], but you can't assume that e.g. [itex]a_x b_x[/itex] means "[itex]a_x[/itex] multiplied by [itex]b_x[/itex]," because you are dealing with things that don't get multiplied. Think about it: does [itex]x \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] mean [itex]x[/itex] multiplied by [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex]? Does [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x} x[/itex] mean [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] multiplied by [itex]x[/itex]?

Oh ok so if the vector is in front of del I'm basically taking the components and multiplying them by differential operators, where if the vector was to the right of del i would be taking derivatives of the components?
 
Yep, that's the idea.

A good way to think about it is that the components of [itex]\mathbf{p}[/itex] are multiplicative operators. Just like the differential operator [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] takes a function [itex]f(x)[/itex] and turns it into [itex]f'(x)[/itex], a multiplicative operator [itex]x[/itex] takes a function [itex]f(x)[/itex] and turns it into [itex]xf(x)[/itex]. The composition of two operators is also an operator, so [itex]p_x \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] is an operator that means "take the derivative and then multiply by a number."
 
diazona said:
Yep, that's the idea.

A good way to think about it is that the components of [itex]\mathbf{p}[/itex] are multiplicative operators. Just like the differential operator [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] takes a function [itex]f(x)[/itex] and turns it into [itex]f'(x)[/itex], a multiplicative operator [itex]x[/itex] takes a function [itex]f(x)[/itex] and turns it into [itex]xf(x)[/itex]. The composition of two operators is also an operator, so [itex]p_x \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] is an operator that means "take the derivative and then multiply by a number."

Thanks, really helped me.