Plotting the Poynting vector of a radiating electric dipole [matlab]

In summary, the conversation discusses the attachment of a .txt file containing a script for a vector field at time t = 0. The individual is concerned about the Poynting vector pointing inwards instead of outwards, and suspects that this may be due to the limited range of the grid. They mention their choices for values of k and p, and mention that their problem may be a problem of scale. They then proceed to share their script and attempt to plot the vector field with different ranges and normalization, but are still not satisfied with the result. They question the accuracy of their formula and ask for suggestions to correct their work.
  • #106
A dyad is sometimes denoted with a double arrow, such as ##\overset{\leftrightarrow}{\mathbf Q}##

Two vectors ##\mathbf a## and ##\mathbf b## can form a dyad: ##\overset{\leftrightarrow}{\mathbf Q} = \mathbf a \mathbf b##. The two vectors are simply written side by side without any product symbol. (See the integrand of ##\mathbf M## in post #104.) The components of the dyad are

##Q_{xx} = a_xb_x##
##Q_{xy} = a_xb_y##
##Q_{yx} = a_yb_x##
etc.
 
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  • #107
TSny said:
I've never worked with magnetic quadrupoles. Jackson doesn't appear to give any explicit expressions for magnetic quadrupole moments. I did find the following expression in Morse and Feshbach's Methods of Mathematical Physics for a general distribution of current density ##\vec J##:

##\mathbf{M} = \frac{1}{2}\int\left[ \vec r (\vec r \times \vec J) + (\vec r \times \vec J) \vec r \right] d^3r##

This is dyadic notation. Thus to get ##{M}_{xy}##, you dot the integrand from the left with a unit vector in the x-direction and dot the integrand from the right with a unit vector in the y-direction. So,

##M_{xy} = \frac{1}{2} \int \left[x(zJ_x-xJ_z) + (yJ_z-zJ_y)y\right]d^3r##
## \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,= \frac{1}{2} \int \left[ (y^2-x^2)J_z + xzJ_x - yzJ_y \right] d^3x##

##M_{zz} = \int \left( zxJ_y - zyJ_x \right) d^3r##

etc.

The dimensions of ##M## are current times distance cubed; whereas, the dimensions of your expression for ##M_{ij}## are current times distance to the fourth.

I applied this dyadic definition to the case of a magnetic quadrupole formed from two current loops with opposite currents.

View attachment 257972

I got the same result for the magnetic quadrupole moment components as given in this link. See pages 9 through 11. The final result is at the bottom of page 11.

The vector potential ##\mathbf A## produced by this quadrupole is given by the last term shown in the equation at the top of page 11. But this is only for the far field. I would imagine that the near field would be very tedious to work out.

I'm having a brain fart, I cannot see how the ##M## you posted has units of current times distance cubed. I'm seeing current times distance squared.

But I would logically conclude that ##M## does indeed have units current times distance cubed because it comes right after the magnetic dipole which is known to have units of current times distance squared.
 
  • #108
Current density ##J## has dimensions of current divided by area.
 
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  • #109
@TSny is this the radiation pattern you would expect from a time harmonic oscillating magnetic quadrupole?

arranged as

linearmagneticquadrupole.png


MQquestionmark.jpg


Again, these are level surfaces of the Poynting vector magnitude.

Also, I hope you are having a good day and are staying safe during this pandemic.

linearMQ3dgif.gif
 
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  • #110
Nice. That could be right. I don't have much experience with this. But look at the figure on page 8 here. You can see a sketch of the radiation pattern for the two circular current loops. There is no radiation in the horizontal direction (in the xy plane) and no radiation in the z-direction. That looks like what you are getting.
 
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  • #111
TSny said:
Nice. That could be right. I don't have much experience with this. But look at the figure on page 8 here. You can see a sketch of the radiation pattern for the two circular current loops. There is no radiation in the horizontal direction (in the xy plane) and no radiation in the z-direction. That looks like what you are getting.

Yeah I stumbled across that link earlier and was happy to see that mine corroborated theirs but wasn't sure. For the next case (magnetic octupole and electric hexadecapole) I'm probably going to have to learn some tensor calculus.

Also setting up configurations and having MATLAB do moment calculations for me because there's no way I'm doing 27, 81, or 243 calculations by hand lol. I'm going to post one more gif in this thread (the radiating electric octupole) and then after that I will start a new thread when I need to. I know the mods don't like it when threads get too big. It will be good practice in doing (trivial) tensor multiplications like ##Q_{ijk}r_k r_j## because goodness knows I will need it later.
 
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  • #112
Ok. I am satisfied with the magnetic quadrupole animation but the electric quadrupole is giving me considerable difficulty. Which is weird because

1) They are subsumed in the same term (##\ell = 2##) in the expansion of Jackson 9.11.

2) The electric multipoles are much easier to define and recognize

If anything I thought it would be the magnetic quadrupole that would give me trouble but I digress. The configuration I'm trying to model is the following.

Image 3-23-20 at 10.58 AM.jpg


With the coordinates of the charges being (the origin is at the center of the cube)

Image 3-25-20 at 7.56 AM.jpg


I'm using the definition of

##Q_{ijk} = \sum_{\ell}^{8} \sum_{i,j,k}^{3} q_{\ell} r_{i ,\ell} r_{j ,\ell} r_{k ,\ell}##

The result I got for the configuration above (using my program) is the following

Image 3-23-20 at 11.29 AM.jpg


With the following code, PCQ (is the 4x8 array pictured above)

for i = 1:3 for j = 1:3 for k = 1:3 Q(i,j,k) = 0; for i1 = 1:length(PCQ) Q(i,j,k) = Q(i,j,k) + PCQ(4,i1)*PCQ(i,i1)*PCQ(j,i1)*PCQ(k,i1); end end end end I think I may have populated the electric octupole tensor wrong because I'm getting all negatives.
 
  • #113
vaguelyelectricoctupole.jpg


Vaguely an electric octupole. I'm going to go back over my analytical expressions for the vector potential and see if I mad any mistakes.

One thing I know for certain is that if we expand Jackson 9.11 with the ##\ell = 2## term we should get the quantities ##M_{quad}\vec{r} \times \vec{r}## and ##Q_{oct} \vec{r}\vec{r}## in the mix.
 
  • #114
MaybeOctupole.jpg


Getting better but intuitively I would think a radiating octupole would have 8 lobes. I appear to have 12. There are some residual terms in my analytical expressions that I have not incorporated yet. I hope including them will fix my figure. *Crosses fingers*
 
  • #115
Here's the latest one. Pretty much the same thing as my last picture but a little sharper. My advisor said my pattern looks reasonable; despite there being 12 lobes total there are 8 lobes when you look from the top. That doesn't quite make sense to me but here's the way I think of it;

Each edge of the cube is a dipole. As we know radiation patterns are zero on the axis of each dipole.

Counting the four vertical dipoles and the four horizontal dipoles we get the disappearance of the radiation pattern at the vertices/corners. (8 triangular holes shown below).

The radiation pattern vanishes on the faces of the cubes because that area has field contributions from two opposing dipoles (6 square holes).

For a total of 14 holes

I know that is extremely "hand wavy" but that's the best I can do with my current understanding of multipoles. I think the meaning of the octupole is a little bit more nuanced than "8 lobes".

@TSny may I have your opinion on this matter? Even if you are not certain I feel like your input would still be valuable.
maybemaybeoctupole.jpg


Edit: My advisor originally told me that the radiating magnetic quadrupole is unsolved and that Bethe and Bouwkamp contrived wrong solutions to it that somehow worked. So you can imagine that I was really happy when I solved the magnetic quadrupole with minimal assumptions. So I inquired with my advisor further and he elaborated by saying something to the effect of "the radiation pattern of the magnetic quadrupole isn't unsolved in general but rather in regards to diffraction". I'm just getting involved in research and from what I understand apertures can be modeled with "magnetic currents" and these magnetic currents have multipoles. The dipole term of said magnetic current is understood, however the quadrupole term is not. That's what I took away from it anyway, but enough of my rambling.

Edit2: I am finding that the vector potential dependence on ##Q_{ijk}## is a little bit more complicated than ##Q_{ijk}r_{i}r_{j}##. I'm getting the same units but not nice expressions. I also have residual terms that I have not accounted for and are difficult to manipulate.
 
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  • #116
Your "hand-wavy" arguments sound good to me.

I agree that there are 12 lobes. I decided to try using the approach to multipole radiation fields given in chapter 16 of Jackson's 2nd edition. I believe this material is covered in chapter 9 of Jackson's 3rd edition in a somewhat condensed form compared to the 2nd edition.

Using this approach I attempted to produce a plot showing the time-averaged power radiated in different directions. For the "cube" octupole I get the following surface. (If you pick a point on the surface, the power radiated in the direction from the origin to that point is proportional to the distance of the point from the origin.) So, the power is mostly radiated into 4 "upper" lobes, 4 "lower" lobes, and 4 "horizontal" lobes. The lobes point toward the midpoints of the edges of the cube.

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There is no radiation in the 14 directions that you found. So, this seems to corroborate your results.
 
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  • #117
TSny said:
Your "hand-wavy" arguments sound good to me.

I agree that there are 12 lobes. I decided to try using the approach to multipole radiation fields given in chapter 16 of Jackson's 2nd edition. I believe this material is covered in chapter 9 of Jackson's 3rd edition in a somewhat condensed form compared to the 2nd edition.

Using this approach I attempted to produce a plot showing the time-averaged power radiated in different directions. For the "cube" octupole I get the following surface. (If you pick a point on the surface, the power radiated in the direction from the origin to that point is proportional to the distance of the point from the origin.) So, the power is mostly radiated into 4 "upper" lobes, 4 "lower" lobes, and 4 "horizontal" lobes. The lobes point toward the midpoints of the edges of the cube.

View attachment 259830

There is no radiation in the 14 directions that you found. So, this seems to corroborate your results.

Very nice. Thank you.

I wish I had the 2nd edition to see it in it's full glory.

Was your approach to expand out


→A(→r,t)=e−iωtμ4π∫→J(→r′)eik∣∣→r−→r′∣∣∣∣→r−→r′∣∣d3r′A→(r→,t)=e−iωtμ4π∫J→(r′→)eik|r→−r′→||r→−r′→|d3r′​
Using the well known identity


eik∣∣→r−→r′∣∣∣∣→r−→r′∣∣=4πik∞∑ℓ,mh(1)ℓ(kr)jℓ(kr′)ℓ∑m=−ℓYm∗ℓ(θ′,ϕ′)Ymℓ(θ,ϕ)eik|r→−r′→||r→−r′→|=4πik∑ℓ,m∞hℓ(1)(kr)jℓ(kr′)∑m=−ℓℓYℓm∗(θ′,ϕ′)Yℓm(θ,ϕ)​
I don't see how you would do this entire thing numerically. I had to do integration by parts several times in order to bring out expressions involving ##M_{ij}## and ##Q_{ijk}## analytically. I guess you could solve the continuity equation ##\nabla \cdot \vec{J} = i \omega \rho## and get 8 delta functions. At least in my experience Matlab has difficulty integrating delta functions and that may not be the case with Mathematica.

I also see the formula


dPdΩ=Z02k2|a(ℓ,m)|2∣∣→Xℓ,m∣∣2dPdΩ=Z02k2|a(ℓ,m)|2|X→ℓ,m|2​
So maybe that is what you're referring to. Unfortunately I know absolutely nothing about vector spherical harmonics.

I think I'm going to switch gears to diffraction (equivalent aperture dipoles and what not). I know next to nothing about it but I find it interesting and it appears to be an active area of research (with regards to the aperture equivalent quadrupoles). If I have any questions (which I most definitely will) I will start a new thread. I'm happy with the progress made in this thread. Thank you again.

I don't know why the Latex rendering isn't working. It renders as I type it but doesn't show up when I press post.
 
  • #118
I used the result for ##\frac{dP}{d \Omega}## that is given in equation (9.150) in the 3rd edition. Other key equations are (9.119), (9.169), and (9.170). So, I didn't calculate the E and B fields.

I didn't study this material in any detail. I just accepted these equations and let Mathematica do the rest.
 
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Does anyone know how the magnetic octupole would be defined?
 

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