What is the Fourier series for a constant temperature in a box?

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The discussion revolves around solving a Laplace equation in a three-dimensional box, where the temperature is constant on one face and zero on the others. The original poster is tasked with expressing a given function, representing the temperature on the specified face, as a Fourier series.

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  • Participants explore the necessity of expressing the function f(x,y) as a Fourier series and question the reasoning behind this requirement. There are attempts to derive coefficients A_{mn} in terms of the function F(x,y) using integrals related to Fourier series.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to derive the coefficients A_{mn} and have pointed out the need to evaluate integrals involving the function F(x,y). However, there is still confusion regarding the overall approach and the specifics of the function F(x,y) itself.

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It is noted that the function F(x,y) is not explicitly defined in the problem, leading to uncertainty in deriving the coefficients. The original poster mentions that the temperature is constant on one face, which may imply that f(x,y) could be a constant value.

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Hello i have a problem with a laplace equation in a box, because the problem says that in the six face the tempeture is constant and given by the function f(x,y). and the other faces the temperature its zero.

My teacher says that i must express the f(x,y) as a Fourier series, but i can't understand why i must do that.

Homework Statement



$\dfrac{\partial^{2}T}{\partial x^{2}}+\dfrac{\partial^{2}T}{\partial y^{2}}+\dfrac{\partial^{2}T}{\partial z^{2}}$

$T T(0,x,z)=T(L,x,z)=T(x,0,z)=T(x,L,z)=T(x,y,0)=0$
$T T(x,y,L)=F(x,y)

Homework Equations



The given after this

The Attempt at a Solution


The solution , that i can fint its

$T T(x,y,z)={\displaystyle \sum_{m,n=1}^{\infty}A_{mn}sin(\frac{n\pi x}{L})sin\left(\frac{m\pi y}{L}\right)sinh\left(\pi\sqrt{\frac{n^{2}+m^{2}}{L^{2}}}z\right)}$

and with the last boundary conditions

$F F(x,y)={\displaystyle \sum_{m,n=1}^{\infty}A_{mn}sin(\frac{n\pi x}{L})sin\left(\frac{m\pi y}{L}\right)sinh\left(\pi\sqrt{\frac{n^{2}+m^{2}}{L^{2}}}L\right)}$
 
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josftx said:
Hello i have a problem with a laplace equation in a box, because the problem says that in the six face the tempeture is constant and given by the function f(x,y). and the other faces the temperature its zero.

My teacher says that i must express the f(x,y) as a Fourier series, but i can't understand why i must do that.

Homework Statement



$\dfrac{\partial^{2}T}{\partial x^{2}}+\dfrac{\partial^{2}T}{\partial y^{2}}+\dfrac{\partial^{2}T}{\partial z^{2}}$

$T T(0,x,z)=T(L,x,z)=T(x,0,z)=T(x,L,z)=T(x,y,0)=0$
$T T(x,y,L)=F(x,y)

Homework Equations



The given after this

The Attempt at a Solution


The solution , that i can fint its

$T T(x,y,z)={\displaystyle \sum_{m,n=1}^{\infty}A_{mn}sin(\frac{n\pi x}{L})sin\left(\frac{m\pi y}{L}\right)sinh\left(\pi\sqrt{\frac{n^{2}+m^{2}}{L^{2}}}z\right)}$

and with the last boundary conditions

$F F(x,y)={\displaystyle \sum_{m,n=1}^{\infty}A_{mn}sin(\frac{n\pi x}{L})sin\left(\frac{m\pi y}{L}\right)sinh\left(\pi\sqrt{\frac{n^{2}+m^{2}}{L^{2}}}z\right)}$

I think you mean (evaluate at z=L)

$F F(x,y)={\displaystyle \sum_{m,n=1}^{\infty}A_{mn}sin(\frac{n\pi x}{L})sin\left(\frac{m\pi y}{L}\right)sinh\left(\pi\sqrt{\frac{n^{2}+m^{2}}{L^{2}}}L\right)}$

In order to complete the solution, you will need to determine the A_{mn} in terms of F(x,y). If you think about it, you can accomplish this by taking the Fourier transform of both sides of this equation. If F(x,y) is already expressed as a Fourier series, most of the work is already done for you.
 
Yes, sorry i evaluate z in L in my last step. But i need determinate $A A_{mn}$ in terms of $F F(x,y)$. But i didn't finish the problem because i don't understand the reason of my teacher for that solution. and i don't know how complete the solution with that thougth.

can u help me?
 
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Well verify that

\int_0^{2\pi} \sin(m u) \sin(n u) du = \delta_{mn}.

Then compute

\int_0^{ L} dx \int_0^{L} dy~ F(x,y) \sin\left(\frac{n'\pi x}{L}\right) \sin\left(\frac{m'\pi y}{L}\right)

to derive an expression for the A_{mn} in terms of the above integrals of F(x,y) (these integrals are the coefficients of the Fourier series for F).
 
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and how i can derive an expresión for find the function, using some equality?
i'm really confused-
 
josftx said:
and how i can derive an expresión for find the function, using some equality?
i'm really confused-

Is F(x,y) specified in the problem? If not, the most you can do is derive the expression for the A_{mn} in terms of those integrals of F.
 
It's not specified in the problem, only the problem says that the temperature is maintained constant in the face six and this given by $T T(x,y,L)=f(x,y)$ , and my teacher says that i must find that function =S
 
josftx said:
It's not specified in the problem, only the problem says that the temperature is maintained constant in the face six and this given by $T T(x,y,L)=f(x,y)$ , and my teacher says that i must find that function =S

If the temperature is constant, then f(x,y) = f_0 and you can compute the A_{mn} by solving <br /> \int_0^{ L} dx \int_0^{L} dy~f_0 \sin\left(\frac{n&#039;\pi x}{L}\right) \sin\left(\frac{m&#039;\pi y}{L}\right) = \int_0^{ L} dx \int_0^{L} dy~T(x,y,L) \sin\left(\frac{n&#039;\pi x}{L}\right) \sin\left(\frac{m&#039;\pi y}{L}\right).<br />
 

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