What Is the Initial Speed of a Projectile Fired from a Cliff?

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The discussion centers on calculating the initial speed of a projectile fired from a 20m high cliff at a 30-degree angle, landing 40m away. The equations of motion are set up, with the horizontal component expressed as Vi cos 30t = 40. Clarification is sought on whether the vertical distance is solely 20m and if "t" represents the total time of flight, including both ascent and descent. Responses confirm that the vertical displacement is indeed 20m and that "t" accounts for the entire projectile motion. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the equations and the signs involved in the calculations.
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A cannon is fired at an angle of 30 degrees above the horizontal from a cliff that is 20m above a flat river bottom. What is the initial speed of the projectile if it is found to land 40m from the base of the cliff?

Please provide me with relevant explanations as well. Thanks! :D
 
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Resolve the speed into horizontal and vertical components.
 
The speed is not provided in the question.
 
Call the speed v, then.
 
To clarify, assuming I've set this up right, if you do this ultimately you end up with two equations in v and t, which you can solve for either.
 
What I got so far was Vi cos 30t = 40
Is the total vertical distance merely 20m since the vertical displacement of the cannonball during the parabolic trajectory is 0? (Since it goes up and down the same distance?) - pardon my bad english lol!

Is the "t" in the Vi cos 30t = 40 equation the total time taken for the entire projectile motion or just the upper symmetrical part of the projectile (excluding the 20m descent)?
Thanks!
 
jysim said:
What I got so far was Vi cos 30t = 40
Is the total vertical distance merely 20m since the vertical displacement of the cannonball during the parabolic trajectory is 0? (Since it goes up and down the same distance?) - pardon my bad english lol!

Is the "t" in the Vi cos 30t = 40 equation the total time taken for the entire projectile motion or just the upper symmetrical part of the projectile (excluding the 20m descent)?
Thanks!

First part yes (don't forget to check your signs), and for the second part t is the total time (as you'd using the total time for both the horizontal and vertical components, no?)
 
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