What is the integral of Arcsin[x]?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the arcsine function, specifically \(\int \arcsin(x) \, dx\). Participants explore various methods of integration, including integration by parts and trigonometric substitution, while sharing hints and insights into their thought processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using integration by parts, proposing to let \(u = \arcsin(x)\) and \(v = x\).
  • Others mention the potential for trigonometric substitution, indicating that drawing a right triangle could be beneficial.
  • A participant expresses confusion about their attempts with integration by parts, noting that they seem to arrive at circular reasoning.
  • One participant proposes equating arcsine to another variable to simplify the integral, suggesting a substitution method.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between the integral of arcsine and the area of a bounding rectangle.
  • Some participants provide hints and encouragement, while others express frustration with their own understanding or progress.
  • Multiple participants share their attempts and variations of integration techniques, indicating a lack of consensus on the most effective approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a single method for solving the integral of arcsine, as participants present various approaches and express differing levels of understanding and success with those methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific mathematical steps and substitutions that may not be fully resolved, indicating potential gaps in understanding or execution of integration techniques.

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I just can't see it. I would think that it would involve some form of trig substitution, but I'm just drawing a blank. I'll do the work if someone can please give me a nice little hint.

I know that \int \arcsin{(x)}dx = \sqrt{1-x^2}+ x\arcsin{(x}) + C from my calculator and mathematica.

Hint please.
 
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If only you were working with its derivative! I bet you know how to integrate something that looks like its derivative!
 
Sure... I'd draw a nice triangle and do trig substitution if it was \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}

Hmmm...I'll think out loud here. If the integral has a square-root and is in the form of c^2-x^2 then x is one leg, c is the hypotenuse, and the other leg is the previously mentioned radical.

Is trig substitution with right triangles on the right track? Since the hypotenuse is \sqrt{a^2+b^2}, it seems that one leg might need to be \sqrt{\arcsin{(x)}} Somehow I don't think I'm on track.
 
Use integration by parts. Remember to let u=arcsin(x) and v=x.

u sub: InverseLogAlgebraicTrigExp
 
Sheesh, just give him the answer, why don't ya?
 
apmcavoy said:
Use integration by parts. Remember to let u=arcsin(x) and v=x.

u sub: InverseLogAlgebraicTrigExp

Ah, thank you! It's so simple.

And thank you Hurkyl as well. I still have lots to learn.
 
I apologize Hurkyl :smile:
 
well, you know the integral of sinx with limits. Now arcsin x will be the limits, and you can make a rectangle.
 
Or you could just take the derivative of the right hand side and go "ta da!" and that's proof enough for me.
 
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hint

equate the arc sine to another variable e.g y.making it a sine fxn.e.g the arc sine of 0.5=30,while sine30=0.5.this will simplify the integral and further substitution will conclude it
 
  • #11
Just for the fun of it ...

The sum of the integrals

\int \sin^{-1} x dx + \int \sin y dy

is just the area of the bounding rectangle: x \times \sin^{-1} x

Since \int \sin y dy = -\cos y + C and \cos y = \cos \sin^{-1} x = \sqrt {1-x^2} it follows that
\int \sin^{-1} x dx = \sqrt {1-x^2} + x \sin^{-1} x + C
 
  • #12
Integration by parts?

Hey, I am really sorry to arise dead threads from the past (which i have seen though google) but somehting really weird happened me when I tried to use integration by parts on arcsinx.


let me show you:
S(arcsinx)= {v'(x)=1} {u(x)=arcsinx}

xarcsinx-S(x*d(arcsinx))=

xarcsinx-S(x/(1-x^2)^0.5= {u(x)=x v'(x)=arcsinx}

xarcsinx-xarcsinx+S(arcsin)dx


==> S(arcsinx)=S(arcsinx)

:\
I know I have done something really stupid here, but please be easy on me since I started studying Integrals only three days ago.

In the second time I used integration by parts, do I miss something , is there another efficient choice of v and u?

Thanks in advance,
Aviv

p.s: I will edit it better to use normal math signs once I figure out how.
 
  • #13
For the second time you integrate by parts, swap your choices.
 
  • #14
Im sorry, Tried it also and all i got is:

xarcsine x -(x^2/2)(1/(Sqrt(1-x^2)))-(x/4)(sqrt(1/(1-x^2))+1/4(arcsinx)

this isn't going anywhere :(
 
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Jameson said:
I just can't see it. I would think that it would involve some form of trig substitution, but I'm just drawing a blank. I'll do the work if someone can please give me a nice little hint.

I know that \int \arcsin{(x)}dx = \sqrt{1-x^2}+ x\arcsin{(x}) + C from my calculator and mathematica.

Hint please.

Make x=\sin t. Then apply part integration on the resulting integral. It's just a way to avoid the simple solution of part integrating directly.
 
  • #16
After the first integration by parts, I would use a substitution
 
  • #17
solve it officially. Fixed during some major mistakes I had about dev' and stuff.

did it without subtition, only using integration by parts.

if you are interested what I did then you are welcome to tell me to write my solution.Thanks guys :)
gg
 
  • #18
use separation by parts

u=arcsinx
du=dx/(1-x^2)^1/2

dv=dx
v=x

uv-ingegral vdu = xarsinx-integral x/(1-x^2)^1/2
use u substitution with u = 1-x^2 so du = -2x
than you get

xarsinx + (1-x^2)^1/2 + c
 
  • #19
f(x)=arcsinx f'(x)=1/radical(1-xsquare)
g'(x)=1 g(x)=x

// S means integral

S arcsin x dx= x arcsin x - S xdx/radical(1-xsquare) = x arcsin x + S (radical(1-xsquare))'dx=
=x arcsin x + radical(1-xsquare) +C
 

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