What is the Integral of (x^5 + 1) / (x^6 + 6x) from 2 to 3?

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The problem involves evaluating the definite integral of the function (x^5 + 1) / (x^6 + 6x) from 2 to 3. Participants express confusion regarding the integration process, particularly in relation to substitution methods and the resulting limits.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the substitution u = x^6 + 6x and its implications for the integral. There are questions about how to correctly express du and the significance of the dx term. Some participants attempt to clarify the relationship between the original limits and the new variable u.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the substitution process and addressing misconceptions. There is recognition of the need to properly handle the dx term and the conversion of limits, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the problem.

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Participants note confusion stemming from the integration process and the handling of constants during substitution. There is an emphasis on the importance of understanding the role of dx in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate.

Integral of (x^5 + 1) / (x^6 + 6x) on x from 2 to 3.

<br /> \int_2^3 (x^5 + 1) / (x^6 +6x) dx<br />

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Not sure! The book only seems to give an equation for integrals in the form of du/u, which is integral 1/u*du = ln |u| + C. It also says that if u = f(x) THEN du = f'(x)?? Is that supposed to be a logical change? All of the integrals of this type are actually du/u in the book. This problem is not and is confusing the heck out of me.

The Attempt at a Solution



It appears that if I take u = x^6 + 6x and plug in the lower and upper limit, I will get a new limit that can be utilized in the correct answer. I already know what the answer is, but I want to figure out how to get to the answer:

1/6 ln (747/76)

The upper and lower limit when plugged into u are there: ln(747/76). I don't understand where the 1/6 is coming from and I don't understand how/why those two limits appears as a fraction.

Thanks for any help!
 
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If you have u=x^6+6x then what is du? (Factor it to see what you get)
 
rock.freak667 said:
If you have u=x^6+6x then what is du? (Factor it to see what you get)

if u is x^6 + 6x then du = 6x^5 + 6 -> 6(x^5 + 1)...
 
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mathor345 said:
if u is x^6 + 6x then du = 6x^5 + 6 -> 6(x^5 + 1)...
The dx is very important!

Actually, du = 6(x^5 + 1) dx

→ (1/6) du = (x^5 + 1) dx
 
SammyS said:
The dx is very important!

Actually, du = 6(x^5 + 1) dx

→ (1/6) du = (x^5 + 1) dx

Okay... I see how the 1/6 comes into the answer. I don't see why the upper and lower limit appear inside of the ln (u) though? I've never been this confused over a single problem before.
 
You have to undo the substitution. You can't just substitute 2 and 3 in for u; these are values of x.
 
Mark44 said:
You have to undo the substitution. You can't just substitute 2 and 3 in for u; these are values of x.

I know, I meant that those limits are substituted for x in u (f(x)).

Ok, so apparently for a definite integral

\int_2^3\frac{x^5 + 1}{x^6+6x}dx

must be converted into the form:

\int_2^3\frac{1}{u}du

So,

u = x^6 + 6x so,

du = 6x^5 + 6

factor out du = 6(x^5 + 1) --> \frac{1}{6}du

Plugging in the limits, x, into u:

u(2) = 76 and u(3) = 747

So,

\int_x^y\frac{1}{6}\frac{du}{u} = \frac{1}{6} ln \|u}|]\right_x^y

(x and y are 76 and 747 respectively. LaTeX is acting funny)

-> ln |747| - ln |76| -> 1/6 ln (747/76)

So my questions are:

1) Can someone explain why the 1/6 can be brought out in front like that?
2) In the last formula du/u = ln |u| why are the terms SUBTRACTED as above so allowing for the quotient rule to be used?
 
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mathor345 said:
I know, I meant that those limits are substituted for x in u (f(x)).

Ok, so apparently for a definite integral

\int_2^3\frac{x^5 + 1}{x^6+6x}dx

must be converted into the form:
It's not that it "must be converted" the form below; that's what you get when you do the substution u = x6 + 6x, and du = 6(x5 + 1)dx.

Notice that in the numerator above you don't quite have du, so you multiply by 6 and divide by 6 (i.e., multiply by 1) to get what you need. The 6 in the numerator goes to make up what is needed for du. The 6 in the denominator goes outside the integral as a factor of 1/6. I think you have been missing that throughout this thread.
mathor345 said:
\int_2^3\frac{1}{u}du
Not quite. As explained above, there is a factor of 1/6, so the integral is
\frac{1}{6}\int_{x = 2}^3\frac{du}{u}

mathor345 said:
So,

u = x^6 + 6x so,

du = 6x^5 + 6
Please read the responses more carefully. This is du = (6x5 + 6)dx[/color], or du = 6(x5 + 1))dx[/color]. If you consistently leave off the dx you will be opening yourself up to grievous problems up ahead. That's guaranteed.
mathor345 said:
factor out du = 6(x^5 + 1) --> \frac{1}{6}du
?
du = 6(x5 + 1)dx ==> du/6 = (x5 + 1)dx
mathor345 said:
Plugging in the limits, x, into u:
No, no, not yet! You forgot to integrate!
mathor345 said:
u(2) = 76 and u(3) = 747

So,

\int_x^y\frac{1}{6}\frac{du}{u} = \frac{1}{6} ln \|u}|]\right_x^y

(x and y are 76 and 747 respectively. LaTeX is acting funny)

-> ln |747| - ln |76| -> 1/6 ln (747/76)

So my questions are:

1) Can someone explain why the 1/6 can be brought out in front like that?
2) In the last formula du/u = ln |u| why are the terms SUBTRACTED as above so allowing for the quotient rule to be used?

1) Explained above and elsewhere in this thread.
2) No, the formula isn't du/u = ln |u|; it's
(1/6)\int \frac{du}{u} = (1/6) ln |u| + C
In this case, after undoing the substitution, the right side above becomes
(1/6) ln|x6 + 6x|, which you evaluate at x = 3 and x = 2. (For a definite integral you don't need to include the constant C.)

This gives you (1/6){ ln(747) - ln(76)}. The two log terms can be combined using the properties of logs.
 
Thanks for responses, especially Mark for the detailed response.

It's been a year since my last math class, so I was obviously missing some of the basics. I was completely ignoring the dx as if it had no meaning, and was a bit confused with moving constants in front of the integral sign. I understand what I was doing wrong. Thanks again.
 

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