What is the kinetic energy of the electron?

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The discussion revolves around the kinetic energy of an electron in the Bohr Model of a hydrogen atom, where the electron orbits a proton. Participants are exploring the relationships between kinetic energy, electric potential energy, and gravitational potential energy in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants attempt to derive expressions for kinetic energy and potential energy, questioning the relationships between them. Some express confusion about the equations for potential energy and how they relate to kinetic energy. Others explore the implications of using electric versus gravitational potential energy in this atomic context.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between kinetic and potential energy, with some participants providing correct expressions while others seek clarification on how to relate these concepts. Guidance has been offered regarding the appropriate equations to use, but no consensus has been reached on the connections between the energies.

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Participants note the negligible effect of gravitational forces at the atomic scale, emphasizing the importance of electromagnetic interactions in this scenario. There is also mention of homework constraints that may affect the discussion.

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Homework Statement


In the Bohr Model of a hydrogen atom, a single electron revolves around a single proton in a circle of radius r. Assume that the proton remains at rest.
(a) what is the kinetic energy of the electron?
(b) what is the electrical potential energy?
(c) show that the electron's kinetic energy is equal to half of the electric potential energy.
(give answers in terms of e, Me, Mp, and r)

Homework Equations


KE = 1/2mv^2
F = Ma(centripetal accel.)
a(centripetal accel.) = v^2/r
F = (mv)^2/r = (kqq)/r^2

KE = -1/2U
U = GMm/r^2 = (kqq)/r
v(orbit) = [tex]\sqrt{}GM/r[/tex]
1/2mv^2 = GMm/2r
F = q|E|
|E| = F/q = kq/r^2


The Attempt at a Solution


a)KE = ke^2/2r

b) I am having trouble finding a way to say that KE = -1/2U because I keep getting that...
KE = ke^2/2r
and that
U = GMm/2r even though U should be equal to something like...
U = -GMm/4r

c)cannot find a way to relate them...
 
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jamespetrovitch said:

The Attempt at a Solution


a)KE = ke^2/2r
Correct
jamespetrovitch said:
b) I am having trouble finding a way to say that KE = -1/2U because I keep getting that...
KE = ke^2/2r
and that
U = GMm/2r even though U should be equal to something like...
U = -GMm/4r
Look up the equation for electic potentional energy :wink:
 
ah, so for ...
b) U=kqq/r

and

c) KE = ke^2/2r
(1/2)(kqq/r) = KE = kee/2r

do I need to relate
KE = GMm/2r = kqq/2r any further or do the constants pretty much switch out since it is dealing with electric potential and not gravitation?
 
jamespetrovitch said:
ah, so for ...
b) U=kqq/r

and

c) KE = ke^2/2r
(1/2)(kqq/r) = KE = kee/2r

do I need to relate
KE = GMm/2r = kqq/2r any further or do the constants pretty much switch out since it is dealing with electric potential and not gravitation?
The gravitational field is negligable on the atomic scale, you only need to consider the electromagnetic field.
 

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