What Is the Maximum Size of a Cube That Can Balance on a Cylinder?

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The problem involves determining the maximum size of a cube that can balance on a cylindrical drum, focusing on stability conditions and the forces acting on the cube.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the cube and the nature of its stability, with some suggesting the use of potential energy to analyze the system. Questions arise regarding the geometry involved and the implications of the cube's tilt angle.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored, including potential energy calculations and geometric considerations. Participants are questioning assumptions about stability and the interpretation of the problem, leading to a rich dialogue without a clear consensus yet.

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There is ambiguity in the definition of 'stable,' with interpretations varying between no tilt and the ability to remain on the cylinder without rolling off. Participants are also considering the effects of small perturbations on the system's behavior.

  • #61
I have checked what Kleppner has to say on small oscillations, and found that lacking. The form of the kinetic energy they have has no dependency on the coordinates, only on velocities, so there is no demonstration how to proceed in a case like you have here, even though it is taken from that same book.

Symon and Goldstein do a far better job at explaining that; Landau is also noteworthy.
 
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  • #62
Thank you very much voko for such nice explanation. :smile:

I had
$$U(\theta)=mg((R+L/2)\cos\theta+R\theta\sin\theta)$$
$$\Rightarrow U''(\theta)=mg((R+L/2)(-\cos\theta)+R\cos\theta+R\cos\theta-R\theta\sin\theta)$$
For ##\theta=0##,
$$U''(0)=mg\left(R-\frac{L}{2}\right)$$
Since
$$K(\theta) = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{L^2}{4}+R^2\theta^2\right)+ \frac {1}{2}I_{CM} \Rightarrow K(0)=\frac{1}{8}mL^2+\frac{1}{2}I_{CM}$$
Substituting ##I_{CM}=mL^2/6##,
$$K(0)=\frac{5}{24}mL^2$$
As you stated before, from energy conservation we have,
$$K(0)\dot{\theta}^2+U''(0)\theta^2/2=K(0)\dot{\theta}(0)$$
Differentiating wrt time,
$$K(0)(2\dot{\theta}\ddot{\theta})+U''(0)\theta\dot{\theta}=0$$
$$\Rightarrow \ddot{\theta}=-\frac{U''(0)}{2K(0)}\theta$$
Substituting the values,
$$\ddot{\theta}=-\frac{12g}{5L^2}\left(R-\frac{L}{2}\right)\theta$$
The time period can be easily calculated from the above equation.

Is the above correct?

I have checked what Kleppner has to say on small oscillations, and found that lacking. The form of the kinetic energy they have has no dependency on the coordinates, only on velocities, so there is no demonstration how to proceed in a case like you have here, even though it is taken from that same book.

Symon and Goldstein do a far better job at explaining that; Landau is also noteworthy.
I will have a look at them soon if they are available in my country. :)
 
  • #63
Looking good!
 
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  • #64
voko said:
Looking good!

Thanks a lot voko! :smile:

That was quite long for a single line problem. :-p
 
  • #65
You did a lot more than the problem required.
 
  • #66
voko said:
You did a lot more than the problem required.

Yes, but it was a great learning experience. :)
 

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