What Is the Maximum Size of a Cube That Can Balance on a Cylinder?

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The maximum size of a cube that can balance on a cylinder is determined by the relationship between the cube's side length (L) and the cylinder's radius (R). The critical condition for stability is established when L is greater than or equal to 2R, ensuring that the center of mass remains above the base of support. The potential energy of the system is analyzed using the equation U(θ) = mg(R + L/2)(1 - cos(θ)), where θ is the tilt angle. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding torque and the geometry involved in maintaining stability.

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  • #61
I have checked what Kleppner has to say on small oscillations, and found that lacking. The form of the kinetic energy they have has no dependency on the coordinates, only on velocities, so there is no demonstration how to proceed in a case like you have here, even though it is taken from that same book.

Symon and Goldstein do a far better job at explaining that; Landau is also noteworthy.
 
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Thank you very much voko for such nice explanation. :smile:

I had
$$U(\theta)=mg((R+L/2)\cos\theta+R\theta\sin\theta)$$
$$\Rightarrow U''(\theta)=mg((R+L/2)(-\cos\theta)+R\cos\theta+R\cos\theta-R\theta\sin\theta)$$
For ##\theta=0##,
$$U''(0)=mg\left(R-\frac{L}{2}\right)$$
Since
$$K(\theta) = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{L^2}{4}+R^2\theta^2\right)+ \frac {1}{2}I_{CM} \Rightarrow K(0)=\frac{1}{8}mL^2+\frac{1}{2}I_{CM}$$
Substituting ##I_{CM}=mL^2/6##,
$$K(0)=\frac{5}{24}mL^2$$
As you stated before, from energy conservation we have,
$$K(0)\dot{\theta}^2+U''(0)\theta^2/2=K(0)\dot{\theta}(0)$$
Differentiating wrt time,
$$K(0)(2\dot{\theta}\ddot{\theta})+U''(0)\theta\dot{\theta}=0$$
$$\Rightarrow \ddot{\theta}=-\frac{U''(0)}{2K(0)}\theta$$
Substituting the values,
$$\ddot{\theta}=-\frac{12g}{5L^2}\left(R-\frac{L}{2}\right)\theta$$
The time period can be easily calculated from the above equation.

Is the above correct?

I have checked what Kleppner has to say on small oscillations, and found that lacking. The form of the kinetic energy they have has no dependency on the coordinates, only on velocities, so there is no demonstration how to proceed in a case like you have here, even though it is taken from that same book.

Symon and Goldstein do a far better job at explaining that; Landau is also noteworthy.
I will have a look at them soon if they are available in my country. :)
 
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Looking good!
 
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voko said:
Looking good!

Thanks a lot voko! :smile:

That was quite long for a single line problem. :-p
 
  • #65
You did a lot more than the problem required.
 
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voko said:
You did a lot more than the problem required.

Yes, but it was a great learning experience. :)
 

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