Physics Challenge Question: Stability on a Cylinder

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The problem involves a solid cube placed on the highest point of a cylinder, with the goal of determining the range of angles through which the cube can swing without tipping off. The subject area relates to stability and equilibrium in mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the concept of stability and the position of the center of mass in relation to the pivot point. There is mention of potential energy and equilibrium states, with some uncertainty about the need for calculus. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the problem statement and the conditions under which the cube remains stable.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and suggesting various approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the center of gravity and the pivot point, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

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There is a note that the problem source claims not to require calculus, which may influence the approaches being considered. Participants are also grappling with the definitions and assumptions related to stability and tipping points.

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Homework Statement


A solid cube of side ##l = r*pi/2## and of uniform density is placed on the highest point of a cylinder of radius ##r## as shown in the attached figure. If the cylinder is sufficiently rough that no sliding occurs, calculate the full range of the angle through which the block and swing (or wobble) without tipping off. (You can assume this range of equilibrium positions is stable).

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None that I've been made aware of.

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I'm trying to consider this in terms of a point at which the center of mass is directly above the axis of rotation but I'm struggling from there to be honest. Stability isn't something we've covered in my spec, so I'm not sure I have the knowledge to tackle this. I tried drawing a couple diagrams but I didn't get far.
 

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I would recommend writing an expression for the potential energy of the cube as it rocks on the cylinder. You can find the stable and unstable equilibrium by differentiating the expression.
 
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The source of this problem claims not to need calculus of any form.
 
IDValour said:
calculate the full range of the angle through which the block and swing
Did you mean to type 'through which the block can swing'?

If sliding is assumed not to happen then the question becomes one of at what angle does the block topple over, when balancing on the midpoint of its lowest side (the pivot point). Think about the relationship between the centre of gravity of the block, the pivot point and the direction of the force of gravity.
 
IDValour said:
I'm trying to consider this in terms of a point at which the center of mass is directly above the axis of rotation ...

Yes, I think that's the key idea.
Draw a picture corresponding to this special configuration.
 
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