What is the optimal RPM for charging a battery with an automotive alternator?

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The discussion revolves around the optimal RPM for charging a battery using an automotive alternator, focusing on the implications of operating at higher rotor speeds, such as 6000 RPM or even 12,000 RPM. Participants explore the technical aspects of AC to DC conversion, voltage regulation, and the operational characteristics of automotive alternators.

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  • One participant questions whether operating a generator at 6000 RPM is feasible without causing damage, given that standard frequencies require lower RPMs.
  • Another participant explains that the AC output can be rectified into pulsating DC for battery charging, provided the voltages are appropriate and transformers can handle the higher frequency AC.
  • It is noted that the terminal voltage of the generator can be controlled by varying its speed and field excitation, which is essential for battery charging.
  • A participant mentions that automotive alternators are regulated by adjusting the current in the field windings to maintain the required voltage across a wide range of engine speeds.
  • One post references a source that mentions 12,000 RPM as a possible operational speed for charging batteries.
  • Concerns are raised about low power alternators having simple regulators to prevent overcharging, which may limit energy output.

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Participants express varying views on the implications of high RPMs for battery charging, with no consensus reached on the optimal RPM or the potential risks associated with higher speeds.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about voltage requirements and the operational characteristics of automotive alternators, which may not be universally applicable. There is also uncertainty regarding the effects of high RPM on system stability and battery health.

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Hello,

I have a very basic question. And, admittedly, my knowledge is limited in this field.
It is about the rpm of a rotor inside a generator. I know, to be aligned with the existing grid, standard frequency (of 50Hz, Europe and 60Hz, US) will require the RPM to be 3000 and 3600 respectively.

But suppose I am having a generator with rotor rpm around 6000 and I want to charge a battery with the electricity generated. It is very localised and isolated. Are we free to have such high rpm without disturbing/damaging thinhgs?
 
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The AC will be rectified into pulsating DC, then that is used to charge the battery. So long as the voltages are appropriate there should be no problem. Any transformers will need to be able to function on that higher frequency AC.

The rotational speed of the alternator in your car varies over a wide range as engine speed changes.
 
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royp said:
But suppose I am having a generator with rotor rpm around 6000 and I want to charge a battery with the electricity generated.
You can control the terminal voltage of the (isolated)generator by varying its speed and field excitation.
But for charging a battery, the ac voltage has to be rectified first , as NO mentioned earlier.
 
Yes, Many thanks. I did not mention but I was told that the output of an alternator can be rectified through a diode before being able to charge a battery. The specific thing I have in mind is the car engine; which, presumably, rotate much faster when the vehicle is on the motorway.
 
Many thanks, Cwatters. It has some sound experimental result.
 
royp said:
Yes, Many thanks. I did not mention but I was told that the output of an alternator can be rectified through a diode before being able to charge a battery. The specific thing I have in mind is the car engine; which, presumably, rotate much faster when the vehicle is on the motorway.
Automotive alternators are always regulated by adjusting the current in the field windings to get the required voltage. This is necessary to deal with variations of 10:1 in engine speed and to ensure the alternator will supply enough current even at below 1000 rpm.
Low power alternators usually have a simple regulator on the output to avoid overcharging the battery but they will not provide as much energy overall.
 
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