What is the optimal support angle for a steel clothing rack?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the optimal support angle for a steel clothing rack designed to swing out of the way. Participants explore various structural considerations, load distribution, and materials for constructing a stable and functional rack that can support significant weight, specifically more than 50 lbs of clothing.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests positioning the support bar close to the end of the horizontal bar to minimize pressure on the vertical rod, comparing it to a crane or counter lever system.
  • Another participant proposes adding a short angled support underneath the horizontal bar to help distribute the load on the upright, while expressing concerns about space for clothing.
  • A welding expert recommends using a triangular gusset for added strength and discusses techniques to prevent porosity in welds.
  • Some participants express concerns about the strength of mechanical fittings compared to welding, with one participant opting for marine handrail fittings instead of welding.
  • There is a suggestion to use a larger diameter upright for better stability, especially given the height of the rack.
  • One participant discusses the potential use of aircraft cable for support, noting aesthetic concerns and torsional rigidity issues.
  • Several participants suggest analyzing the structure as a simply supported beam to determine necessary support and load distribution, with one participant humorously referencing a fictional device in their response.
  • Another participant suggests that adding a mid angular support could help distribute the load more evenly, proposing aesthetic options for the support structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints on the best methods for supporting the clothing rack, with no consensus on the optimal design or materials. There are competing suggestions regarding the use of gussets, cables, and mechanical fittings, as well as differing opinions on the necessity of additional supports.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions about load distribution, structural integrity, and material strength without resolving the complexities involved in the design. There are also references to specific techniques and materials that may not be universally applicable.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in DIY projects, structural engineering, or those looking to build custom furniture that requires careful consideration of load-bearing and stability.

  • #31
JBA said:
I was able to find a paper determining the Elastic Modulus for commercial wooden dowels, which the critical material property for determining the deflection of beams; and, unfortunately, wood has a modulus that is only 10% of that for SST, which, in simple terms means that the wooden dowel insert is much to flexible to add any stiffness and support to your SST tubes. For example, replacing the SST tube on the bar with a solid 1" dowel results in a center deflection in the bar of 2.75", so if overloaded the SST tube would buckle under the load long before the wooden dowel would add any support.
Hm. I see your point. I had been assuming that the dowel would preserve the rigidity of the tube, like filling a hollow pipe with sand prior to bending it will prevent a buckle.
 
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  • #32
DaveC426913 said:
Vertical pole is about 66" high, 1" O.D. 1/16th" gauge.
If that's not strong enough in either vertical or horizontal, I run a thick dowel up the centre of the tube.
I don't think adding wooden dowel in the centre would add a lot to the stiffness. Most stress is carried by the edge of the cylinder and the stress/strain modulus of wood is lower than steel. The wood would help resist buckling, but we hope you will be well away from that risk.
One suggestion for strengthening the round tube (other than bigger diameter and/or thicker tube) is to locally reinforce the tube at the strain peaks by sliding another tube over . I haven't done any calculations on that yet, but I've seen it used to strengthen tent ridge poles.

An alternative might be to use a square section instead of circular. My estimate of stiffness for 1"sq tube vs 1"diam cylinder is the square is about 5x as stiff, but only 30% heavier (but check that. I haven't done the full sums on square tubes yet.)

I defer to anything JBA might say, but I get a deflection of about 1.25" max on the vertical and about 0.125" on the horizontal with uniform (1.3 lb/") load and support at 42.5". (I now get that as optimum for uniform load. Though if the load is likely to be biased towards the hinge, 40" might still be better.)
 

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