What is the Parametric Expression for the Lemniscate of Bernoulli?

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The discussion revolves around the parametric expression for the lemniscate of Bernoulli, a curve defined by the product of distances from two fixed points. Participants explore the relationship between its Cartesian and parametric forms, including the necessary equations and conditions for the parameters involved.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss how to express the lemniscate parametrically and the implications of the equations provided. There are attempts to verify the parametric equations by substituting them into the Cartesian forms. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the expressions and the periodic nature of the functions involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided corrections to the original post and clarified the parametric equations. There is ongoing exploration of how to demonstrate that the parametric equations represent all points on the lemniscate, with various suggestions for approaches being discussed.

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Participants note issues with notation and formatting, particularly regarding the use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions. There is also mention of the periodicity of the parametric functions and the need to show that the parametric form encompasses all points on the curve.

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The lemniscate of Bernoulli is the curve that is the locus of points the product of whose distances from two fixed centres (called the foci) a distance of 2c apart is the cosntant [tex][c^2[/tex]. If the foci have Cartesian coordinates [tex](\pmc, 0)[/tex] the Cartesian equation of the lemniscate is

[tex]([x-c]^2 + y^2)([x + c]^2 + y^2) = c^4[/tex]​

or

[tex](x^2 + y^2)^2 = 2c^2(x^2 - y^2).[/tex]​

a) Show that the lemniscate of Bernoulli may be expressed parametrically by

[tex]x(t) = \sqrt{2c}\frac{\cost}{1 + \sin^2t}[/tex], [tex]y(t) = \sqrt{2c}\frac{costsint}{1 + sin^2t}[/tex]​

where [tex]t \epsilon[-\pi, \pi).[/tex] For t out of this interval the curve repeats on itself.)
 
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Should read "If the foci have Cartesian coordinates [tex](\pm c, 0)[/tex]..."
 
and x(t) is missing a cos(t) on the numerator
 
I'll fix the question

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jamesbob said:
The lemniscate of Bernoulli is the curve that is the locus of points the product of whose distances from two fixed centres (called the foci) a distance of 2c apart is the cosntant [tex][c^2[/tex]. If the foci have Cartesian coordinates [tex](\pm c, 0)[/tex] the Cartesian equation of the lemniscate is

[tex]([x-c]^2 + y^2)([x + c]^2 + y^2) = c^4[/tex]​

or

[tex](x^2 + y^2)^2 = 2c^2(x^2 - y^2).[/tex]​

a) Show that the lemniscate of Bernoulli may be expressed parametrically by

[tex]x(t) = \sqrt{2}c \frac{\cos t}{1 + \sin^2t}[/tex], [tex]y(t) = \sqrt{2}c\frac{\cos t \sin t}{1 + sin^2t}[/tex]​

where [tex]t \in[-\pi, \pi).[/tex] For t out of this interval the curve repeats on itself.)

note that the c is no longer under the square root
 
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a) Just plug-in x=x(t) and y=y(t) into either of the given equations and show that it reduces to an identity and note that x(t) and y(t) are periodic functions, having as a funamental period [tex]t \in [-\pi, \pi).[/tex]. BTW, use \in rather than \epsilon for "element of".
 
Thanks very much for fixing my post and for your help! So i just plug

[tex]x = \sqrt{2c}\frac{cost}{1 + \sin^2t} and y = \sqrt{2c}\frac{costsint}{1 + sin^2t}[/tex] into the 2 equations?
 
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That's right, as benorin posted. Also remember about the rt(2c). It should be rt(2)*c.

BTW, if you'ld like a challenge, try and find the slope of the curve at the origin :smile:
 
Just substituting in doesn't prove it though. It shows that any point of the form (x(t), y(t)) is on the lemniscate--it doesn't show that every point on the lemniscate is of the form (x(t), y(t)).

I'm not sure what the simplest way to show the latter is. One way I can think of is expanding out your second formula for the lemniscate, which will give you a quadratic equation in x^2. Solve that equation for x^2 and from that find how many solutions there are for a given y (which is the number of values of x that are possible for a given y). Then show that for a given y(t), the parametric equation yields the same number of x(t) as there are solutions x for that y.
 
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Ok I'm still stuck on this and get the feeling I am doing something silly and overcomplicated. I tried fitting those x and y values to the first equation and got:

[tex]([\sqrt{2}c\frac{cost}{1 + sin^2t} - c]^2 + \sqrt{2}c\frac{costsint}{1 + sin^2t}) \times ([\sqrt{2}c\frac{cost}{1 + sin^2t} + c]^2 + \sqrt{2}c\frac{costsint}{1 + sin^2t})[/tex]

So thismultiplies to:

[tex](2c^2\frac{\cos^2t}{1 + \sin^2t} - c^2 + 2c^2\frac{\cos^2t\sin^2t}{(1 + sin^2t)^2}) \times (2c^2\frac{\cos^2t}{(1 + \sin^2t)^2} + c^2 + 2c^2\frac{\cos^2t\sin^2t}{(1 + sin^2t)^2})[/tex]

I have to run, ill continue posting my calculations later, tho I am sure its wrong already.
 
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  • #11
Argh why is my latex code not working. There should be cos's and sin's on the top line of the first part
 
  • #12
If you use \cos or \sin, either leave a space after them and before the argument or use {} around the argument, for example: \cos t = [tex]\cos t[/tex], but \cost = [tex]\cost[/tex]
 
  • #13
Sometimes I get just a blank space where an unrecognized function is like \log is OK, but \Log is blank.
 
  • #14
And, by the way, using the second form of the equation given is far easier...
 
  • #15
Try the easier equation...

Let us substitute

[tex]x(t) = \sqrt{2}c \frac{\cos t}{1 + \sin^2t}[/tex]

[tex]y(t) = \sqrt{2}c\frac{\cos t \sin t}{1 + sin^2t}[/tex]

into

[tex](x^2 + y^2)^2 = 2c^2(x^2 - y^2)[/tex]

to get


[tex]\left[\left( \sqrt{2}c \frac{\cos t}{1 + \sin^2t}\right) ^2 + \left( \sqrt{2}c\frac{\cos t \sin t}{1 + sin^2t}\right) ^2 \right] ^2 = 2c^2\left[\left( \sqrt{2}c \frac{\cos t}{1 + \sin^2t}\right) ^2 - \left( \sqrt{2}c\frac{\cos t \sin t}{1 + sin^2t}\right) ^2 \right][/tex]

now simplify to get something like 0=0 :smile:
 
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Im being really dumb here and just cannot simplify this. So far i get:

[tex]4c^4\frac{\cos^4 t}{(1 + \sin^2 t)^4} + 4c^4\frac{\cos^4 t\sin^2 t}{(1 + sin^2 t)^4} + 4c^4\frac{\cos^4 t\sin^4 t}{(1 + sin^2 t)^4} = 4c^4(\frac{cos^2 t}{(1 + \sin^2 t)^2} - \frac{\cos^4 t\sin^2 t}{(1 +sin^2 t)^2})[/tex]

This somehow equates

[tex]\frac{\cos^4 t}{(1 + \sin^2 t)^4} + \frac{\cos^4 t\sin^2 t}{(1 + sin^2 t)^4} + \frac{\cos^4 t\sin^4 t}{(1 + sin^2 t)^4} = \frac{cos^2 t}{(1 + \sin^2 t)^2} - \frac{\cos^4 t\sin^2 t}{(1 +sin^2 t)^2} ?[/tex]
 
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  • #17
ok i finally got this, il code it later when i get a chance, but thanks for your help
 

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