What is the Potential Difference Between c and d in This Circuit?

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The discussion revolves around finding the potential difference between nodes c and d in a circuit with a known potential difference of 100 volts between nodes a and b. Participants clarify that when capacitors are combined into a single equivalent capacitor, the original nodes c and d are effectively lost, as they are absorbed into the new configuration. It is emphasized that the equivalent capacitance calculated pertains to the entire circuit between a and b, not specifically between c and d. To determine the potential difference across c and d, one must consider the original series configuration of capacitors rather than simplifying them prematurely. Ultimately, the conversation concludes that understanding the placement of voltage sources is crucial for accurately determining potential differences in circuits.
  • #101
gracy said:
VR1V_{R1} = VinV_{in} R1R1+R2+Rj+R(n−1)+Rn\frac{R1}{R1 + R2+R_j+R_(n-1)+R_n}

Right?
Right.
gracy said:
I am unable to write the same for capacitors
That's because series capacitors don't add directly.
 
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  • #102
gracy said:
I'll give it a try

VC1V_{C1}=VinV_{in} C2CjCn−1Cn+C1CjCn−1Cn+C1C2Cn−1+Cn+C1C2CjCn+C1C2CjCn−1C1C2CjCn−1Cn
I believe the summation part in the numerator should be in the denominator. Also, you can verify this formula by putting n=2.
 
  • #103
gracy said:
in the picture why ##V_{Rn}## =##I####R_n## and ##V_{Cn}##=##\frac{Q}{C_n}## is not shown

It is just typo. The last formulas were meant VRn=IRn and VCn=Q/Cn
Keep in mind that the voltages add when the components are connected in series. The total voltage across the chain of resistors is
Vin = I (R1+R2+...+Rn),
and in case of series capacitors is
Vin=Q/(C1+C2+...+CN).

In case of resistors,
##I=\frac{V_{in}}{R_1+R_2+...R_n}## and the voltage across the i-th element is ##V_i=IR_i=V_{in}\frac{R_i}{R_1+R_2+...+R_n}##.

In case of capacitors,
##Q=\frac{V_{in}}{1/C_1+1/C_2+...+1/C_n}## and the voltage across the i-th element is ##V_i=Q/C_i=V_{in}\frac{1/C_i}{1/C_1+1/C_2+...+1/C_n}##.
 
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  • #104
ehild said:
i-th element
Any random element ?
 
  • #105
Should not it be ##V_i##=Q/##C_i##=##V_{in}####\frac{1/C_i}{1/C_1+1/C_2+...+1/C_n}##
 
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  • #106
Similarly here
##V_i##=##I####R_i##=##V_{in}####\frac{R_i}{R_1+R_2+...+R_n}##
 
  • #107
Read #40. I have added to the "Relevant equations". When you take these into account you can solve this problem in 10 seconds... unless you prefer to be a pedantic student, but I see no virtue in taking days you could use for other study or something else over a 10 s problem.
 
  • #108
gracy said:
Should not it be ##V_i##=Q/##C_i##=##V_{in}####\frac{1/C_i}{1/C_1+1/C_2+...+1/C_n}##
Yes, thank you :smile:. I corrected it. You see how easy it is to make mistakes!
Yes i denotes any random element.
You can also notice that in case all n components of the chain are equivalent, the voltage across one of them is Vin/N . That was epenguin suggested you in #40.
 
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  • #109
gracy said:
in the picture why ##V_{Rn}## =##I####R_n## and ##V_{Cn}##=##\frac{Q}{C_n}## is not shown
Good catch! That's down to me getting sloppy with the cut & paste to duplicate the expressions, forgetting to "touch up" those entries.

I've updated the picture.
 
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